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I'm excited for the rest of the album. I know taht the rest won't be in the vein of Unsustainable, as band members already said. But this is great-produced, exaple of Muse experimenting and doing it right. Album can be all over the place for me as long, as songs in particular are good. If they're "empty" like TR, boring, repetitive and unoriginal songs where experimentation ends at adding Keytar or french part, there is nothing to listen. But if on the album I have things from brostep done right to interesting minimalistic electronic, etc, I'm happy with it. Coherency for the sake of coherency isn't so important to me.
Unsustainable didn't change my expectations, because it already have been high.
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I think so. I'm a huge fan of movie music and am just getting into electronic music, and this tune is a nice blend of the two.
The robotic voice is growing on me too, even though I don't think it's necessary.
Something in the way. . .
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I don't know what to think about the track. Maybe individual parts sound good. But the song structure could have been better!
Talking about the video, I clearly don't like it, looks like amateur work. And the robot cracks me up for some reason, maybe because putting it in the video was stupid. 
Too Pwoper!
Moo moo moo.
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All I want from them is just a straight up track with no frills and 'epic' attached to it. My expectations go up as soon as that happens.
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No.
I thought it would be shit before. This has done nothing to change this opinion. That is wank.
(Bring back Costey, please)
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Could that scrotum tickler be one Matt Bellamy of Muse? :P
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All I want from them is just a straight up track with no frills and 'epic' attached to it. My expectations go up as soon as that happens.
What kind of 'epic' though? Riffage or choirs?
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The track doesn't really give much away, it's just a teaser. The rest of the album could be anything so I'm not getting my hopes up based on one song.
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Yes. I was a hater of TR, MK Ultra was the only one I cared for, so I have been preparing myself for something of the same level of TR.
Should have had a powerful riff as the ending, not the dudstep. But those strings in the middle were 
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not realy, it just changed my mind for unsustainable: I was expecting an aweful song, it turned out to be quite good
however, I still think I won't like the 2nd law that much, I am expecting my final ranking to be like that:
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Nope. Listening to Unsustainable has pretty much confirmed what I feared, this album is going to be a mess. Again.
This. And i'm starting to think that this would be way different if they had a producer. People usually think that having a producer has only to do with the sound of the recording and such, but no, a producer would help them to take a path and stick with it, even BHAR, which has a lot of influences, has something that connects everything, since then it's just... songs.
yes. and as whizzychu said. I've been screaming these thoughts in my head since my first listen to The Resistance. I want Costey back. bad.
This phenomenon is really no different than in any other art form. When guys like Lucas and Shyamalan start taking too much control over their own stuff, it gets too self-conscious and overly deliberate.
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I remember when people were saying Costey had ruined Muse.
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This phenomenon is really no different than in any other art form. When guys like Lucas and Shyamalan start taking too much control over their own stuff, it gets too self-conscious and overly deliberate.
Exactly. I get the impression that a lot of people here think a record producer just oversees the mixing/mastering process - that's rarely the case, and certainly not with Muse. They are often competent musicians themselves, and are heavily involved in directing and shaping how the music turns out by offering an invaluable outsider's opinion. Even if it's just pointing out when the song structure sounds a bit cluttered, that the riffs sound hollow and could do with more overdubs and so on.
The sound quality/mixing on this latest record sounds better than any of the band's previous efforts in terms of general definition, but it's still obvious that they're doing it solo. It's things like that second, overlayed string line in Unsustainable I mentioned before; the almost-identical repetition of the dubstep section at the end of the song; the fact that the guitars sound really meaty and heavy in the second "verse" of Survival but much less so in those falling riffs towards the end. I've never picked these sorts of holes in any of the recordings before The Resistance era (with the exception of Assassin on BHAR, maybe). That's because the production was tight, even if the mixing/mastering wasn't up to scratch. You know something's up when the songs on Showbiz sound more confidently assembled than the material they're making after over 10 years more experience. And I've never liked that album, so have no bias toward it.
I'm no expert when it comes to the technical side of things, but I think the difference between Muse with a producer and Muse without is as clear as night and day. I include NSC in that - even though I wasn't keen on the cheesiness and bombast of the track, it was clear to me that it wasn't self-produced (when compared with recent singles like Uprising and Undisclosed Desires, for example).
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I was completely prepared to dislike the dreaded "dubstep song", but I actually found it to be pretty cool. Hopefully the rest of the album will be pleasant surprise along those lines and not ehhhh like Survival.
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All I want from them is just a straight up track with no frills and 'epic' attached to it. My expectations go up as soon as that happens.
What kind of 'epic' though? Riffage or choirs?
Maybe the word I used was wrong. When Muse do epic properly, it works great. Apocalypse Please springs to mind. It always works better when the instrumentation is sparser though. Survival just seemed to be an absolute mess of instruments and voices and had no focus whatsoever. Unsustainable suffers the same problem of having too little in parts, then way too much in the rest (bridge). I really think a good producer who can ground them when they start to lose the balance is essential if they want to keep a level of sensibility while exploring new sounds, otherwise they start becoming reckless and overdo every track to the point where it's horrible.
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It's funny that you name Apocalypse Please then because if there's one song that's overdone in the studio to the point where it's not that good anymore, it's Apocalypse Please. Listen to live versions from 2002 and then to the studio version, it doesn't even compare.
Muse have been overproducing their music since 2003, with, and without a producer. It's definitely nothing new, and I guess it's just the way they want it.
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It's funny that you name Apocalypse Please then because if there's one song that's overdone in the studio to the point where it's not that good anymore, it's Apocalypse Please. Listen to live versions from 2002 and then to the studio version, it doesn't even compare.
Definitely. I don't usually like the term "over-produced" and I think there are tracks (Hysteria, Time is Running Out, etc) that actually benefitted from the slightly plasticated sound you get from lots of studio work; Apocalypse Please lost something though. The piano trills in Emergency were so much better than the synths they finally went with and there was something kinda funky in Emergency that wasn't on the record.
As I said above, people were saying after BH&R that Costey ruined Muse. Now they want him back?
The other funny thing is people are complaining about Matt's vocals but they're actually getting closer to his live sound. Doesn't mean you have to like them, obviously, but you can't really claim they're overproduced.
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Unsustainable...
I mean, it's just the same thing twice in a row. The woman's voice again in the end made it shit, and the fact that Matt wasn't singing any words kind of ticked me off. Imagine if he would have sang about dwindling resources the same way he does in Eternally Missed, with heavy guitar riffs over the dubsteppy stuff. It'd be pretty excellent.
And at the end, the sound would just build up and suddenly explode a la A day in the Life and the piano of Isolated System would start
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I think muse need to do more simple. If you look at the resistance, the best songs are quite simple like the three exogenesis, it's a symphony yet it is the simplest track on the album.
so since the songs on this album seemed to be described as more simple I think I am gonna enjoy it (and we still have survival, supremacy and the 2nd law for weirder more usual tracks).
anyway, I think madness is going to give us an idea on the album, I would like a catchy pop/rock song, that works well like resistance, tiro or undisclosed desires.
But GOD if there's another Queen "reference" on this track as well, I am so gonna hate both bands
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I remember when people were saying Costey had ruined Muse.
Costey sucked, he flattened BH&R
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Unsustainable raised my expectations, and then Madness lowered them again. 
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Haha, there's a Dutch music site who had an article about the Madness premiere on the radio. They ended the message with this:
"It looks like Muse is going to have some heavy guitar tracks on this next album. Titles like Madness, Supermacy and Big Freeze show that this won't be a quiet album"
Guess they take that back tomorrow!
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Not changed my expectations. Though its quite impressive in ways my favourite bit is by far the intro before any talking kicks in. I love the start even though its probably simpler than the dubstep etc later on
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