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...Which is why American Idiot took four years to be released and why 21st Century Breakdown took five years to be released, because they were set on releasing the best music possible.
And also because they basically started over recording American Idiot halfway through when they lost Cigarettes and Valentines...
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Converting a "band" song to a fully electronic song scares me a little bit. :/ Hope it will still have a rock feel.
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Converting a "band" song to a fully electronic song scares me a little bit. :/ Hope it will still have a rock feel.
They literraly did the opposite of what happened with MOtP... It was supposed to be 100% electronic, but then they converted it into a "band song"
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It's so sad looking at music ignorants implying that straightforward pop tracks are better than complex structures and great elements in particular, like strings which are epic even in a small portion from the trailer, or great chromatic riff from Survival or its chord progression. There are always a lot of Green Days for people demanding less effort from musicians.
Bitching about the album at this stage is just lame.
Just as an example - Seven Nation Army is probably THE most straightforward song ever, no complex strings, no complex arrangement. It's easily one of the best songs of the past 20 years. So don't go off saying that music that isn't complex isn't good. Just because something isn't complex it doesn't mean it took less effort.
But I agree with your last sentence, its still too early for anyone to know what the album will sound like.
I don't know if it's the best song of the last 20 years, but it is true that I do miss the old simple songs of muse, that's why I am excited to listen to the 2nd law.
However, it is also clear that they have created amazing complexe songs in the last two albums like city of delusion, take a bow, exogenesis or MK ultra. The strings and the orchestration have become an important part in muse's music, even in simple tracks like UD, and it'd be lame if they throw that part of their music now.
I am hoping for an album that mixes all the stuff they have been doing like strings and electronic music but in a more subtle way. That'd be grat!
I didn't say Seven Nation Army was the best song, but it's one of the best. It's incredibly well known and has become the new Smoke On The Water for guitarists. It's simplicity is what makes it such an incredible song. It doesn't need to be over the top, bombastic and complex.
I do agree with what you said about mixing all that stuff in a more subtle way. Survival is more of everything they've done just thrown in your face all at once. If they could control it and make it more and musical, they'd have their best album yet (I think).
Converting a band song to a full electronic song could work but I'm glad they went full electronic instead of a half-and-half song - makes it seem like they're actually taking some form of direction.
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It's so sad looking at music ignorants implying that straightforward pop tracks are better than complex structures and great elements in particular, like strings which are epic even in a small portion from the trailer, or great chromatic riff from Survival or its chord progression. There are always a lot of Green Days for people demanding less effort from musicians.
Bitching about the album at this stage is just lame.
Just as an example - Seven Nation Army is probably THE most straightforward song ever, no complex strings, no complex arrangement. It's easily one of the best songs of the past 20 years. So don't go off saying that music that isn't complex isn't good. Just because something isn't complex it doesn't mean it took less effort.
But I agree with your last sentence, its still too early for anyone to know what the album will sound like.
I don't know if it's the best song of the last 20 years, but it is true that I do miss the old simple songs of muse, that's why I am excited to listen to the 2nd law.
However, it is also clear that they have created amazing complexe songs in the last two albums like city of delusion, take a bow, exogenesis or MK ultra. The strings and the orchestration have become an important part in muse's music, even in simple tracks like UD, and it'd be lame if they throw that part of their music now.
I am hoping for an album that mixes all the stuff they have been doing like strings and electronic music but in a more subtle way. That'd be grat!
I didn't say Seven Nation Army was the best song, but it's one of the best. It's incredibly well known and has become the new Smoke On The Water for guitarists. It's simplicity is what makes it such an incredible song. It doesn't need to be over the top, bombastic and complex.
I do agree with what you said about mixing all that stuff in a more subtle way. Survival is more of everything they've done just thrown in your face all at once. If they could control it and make it more and musical, they'd have their best album yet (I think).
Converting a band song to a full electronic song could work but I'm glad they went full electronic instead of a half-and-half song - makes it seem like they're actually taking some form of direction.
Absolutely agree with this one thousand percent, some of the best riffs or melodies are rather unbelievably simple. I rest my case. No more evidence needed.
Edit: and of course songs with a more complex structure work too, but mostly, for me all those guitar riffs are all rather simple.. which I guess is the hardest part in writing them??
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It's so sad looking at music ignorants implying that straightforward pop tracks are better than complex structures and great elements in particular, like strings which are epic even in a small portion from the trailer, or great chromatic riff from Survival or its chord progression. There are always a lot of Green Days for people demanding less effort from musicians.
Bitching about the album at this stage is just lame.
Just as an example - Seven Nation Army is probably THE most straightforward song ever, no complex strings, no complex arrangement. It's easily one of the best songs of the past 20 years. So don't go off saying that music that isn't complex isn't good. Just because something isn't complex it doesn't mean it took less effort.
But I agree with your last sentence, its still too early for anyone to know what the album will sound like.
I don't know if it's the best song of the last 20 years, but it is true that I do miss the old simple songs of muse, that's why I am excited to listen to the 2nd law.
However, it is also clear that they have created amazing complexe songs in the last two albums like city of delusion, take a bow, exogenesis or MK ultra. The strings and the orchestration have become an important part in muse's music, even in simple tracks like UD, and it'd be lame if they throw that part of their music now.
I am hoping for an album that mixes all the stuff they have been doing like strings and electronic music but in a more subtle way. That'd be grat!
I didn't say Seven Nation Army was the best song, but it's one of the best. It's incredibly well known and has become the new Smoke On The Water for guitarists. It's simplicity is what makes it such an incredible song. It doesn't need to be over the top, bombastic and complex.
I do agree with what you said about mixing all that stuff in a more subtle way. Survival is more of everything they've done just thrown in your face all at once. If they could control it and make it more and musical, they'd have their best album yet (I think).
Converting a band song to a full electronic song could work but I'm glad they went full electronic instead of a half-and-half song - makes it seem like they're actually taking some form of direction.
Absolutely agree with this one thousand percent, some of the best riffs or melodies are rather unbelievably simple. I rest my case. No more evidence needed.
Edit: and of course songs with a more complex structure work too, but mostly, for me all those guitar riffs are all rather simple.. which I guess is the hardest part in writing them??
well plug in baby is quite simple. And it is one of the best riffs done by muse
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New Born is very far from being a simple riff and in my personal ranking it is in top 5 of the best riffs.
It's not about simplicity, it's just about being able to compose something that other people will like. Whether it's a trivial and simplistic Seven Nation Army riff/song (which I love) or complex Exogenesis, which is amazing as well.
Good musicians, throughout their careers, tend to get better at playing their instruments and composing. They set their bar always higher and higher because they don't want to make the same song/album as they made in the past.
Unless the musician is in a punk rock band, where all he does is hit four power chords. Usually the same ones, sometimes in different order and tempo.
I think Muse have managed to find a good balance between simplicity and complexity, at least on TR. We have very simple (in terms of composition) Uprising, Undisclosed Desires, and complex ones (USoE, Exo).
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New Born is very far from being a simple riff and in my personal ranking it is in top 5 of the best riffs.
It's not about simplicity, it's just about being able to compose something that other people will like. Whether it's a trivial and simplistic Seven Nation Army riff/song (which I love) or complex Exogenesis, which is amazing as well.
Good musicians, throughout their careers, tend to get better at playing their instruments and composing. They set their bar always higher and higher because they don't want to make the same song/album as they made in the past.
Unless the musician is in a punk rock band, where all he does is hit four power chords. Usually the same ones, sometimes in different order and tempo.
I think Muse have managed to find a good balance between simplicity and complexity, at least on TR. We have very simple (in terms of composition) Uprising, Undisclosed Desires, and complex ones (USoE, Exo).
Even if I love the resistance, I think it's biggest flaw is in the complexe songs (except exogenesis and MK ultra which are perfect and a little USoE even if I regret that the second part is just a repetition of the first one)
but some of the others are made in a way that I feel it's more like:
- look now we're using a clarinette
- look we're using an organ
- look matt took his guitare he's about to do something amazing with it
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zygmoont :
New Born is very far from being a simple riff and in my personal ranking it is in top 5 of the best riffs.
It's not about simplicity, it's just about being able to compose something that other people will like. Whether it's a trivial and simplistic Seven Nation Army riff/song (which I love) or complex Exogenesis, which is amazing as well.
Good musicians, throughout their careers, tend to get better at playing their instruments and composing. They set their bar always higher and higher because they don't want to make the same song/album as they made in the past.
Unless the musician is in a punk rock band, where all he does is hit four power chords. Usually the same ones, sometimes in different order and tempo.
I think Muse have managed to find a good balance between simplicity and complexity, at least on TR. We have very simple (in terms of composition) Uprising, Undisclosed Desires, and complex ones (USoE, Exo).
Even if I love the resistance, I think it's biggest flaw is in the complexe songs (except exogenesis and MK ultra which are perfect and a little USoE even if I regret that the second part is just a repetition of the first one)
but some of the others are made in a way that I feel it's more like:
- look now we're using a clarinette
- look we're using an organ
- look matt took his guitare he's about to do something amazing with it
Just adding to this, I think that IBTY is a very interesting song. Harmonically it's very unique, the way it shifts from C minor (or F dorian I guess), D phrygian dominant, G minor and then just straight D major for the french interlude. And rhythmically it's got heaps of shit going on too. I think the clarinet compliments the timbre of the song really well. I can understand people not liking it (the pop sound and it's association with Twilight) but I think a lot of people confuse pop with simplicity. This is a very well written song IMO
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macgivera :
It's so sad looking at music ignorants implying that straightforward pop tracks are better than complex structures and great elements in particular, like strings which are epic even in a small portion from the trailer, or great chromatic riff from Survival or its chord progression. There are always a lot of Green Days for people demanding less effort from musicians.
Bitching about the album at this stage is just lame.
Just as an example - Seven Nation Army is probably THE most straightforward song ever, no complex strings, no complex arrangement. It's easily one of the best songs of the past 20 years. So don't go off saying that music that isn't complex isn't good. Just because something isn't complex it doesn't mean it took less effort.
But I agree with your last sentence, its still too early for anyone to know what the album will sound like.
Saying that this or that song is one of the best of the previous 20 years doesn't make sense because it's subjective. It's opinion.
And I've never said that pop songs or straightforward songs are worse. I said that it's sad when people hearing more complex song which needs more effort or isn't that accesssible like for example MK Ultra (which is example of simple and great, I love it) say it's worse. You'll say that now my statement is "more complex is better". But I'm not generalising, I think that every kind of song, if done right, can be great. I only say that it's sad that people demand easy-to-listen and accessible at the first listen songs.
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New Born is very far from being a simple riff and in my personal ranking it is in top 5 of the best riffs.
It's not about simplicity, it's just about being able to compose something that other people will like. Whether it's a trivial and simplistic Seven Nation Army riff/song (which I love) or complex Exogenesis, which is amazing as well.
Good musicians, throughout their careers, tend to get better at playing their instruments and composing. They set their bar always higher and higher because they don't want to make the same song/album as they made in the past.
Unless the musician is in a punk rock band, where all he does is hit four power chords. Usually the same ones, sometimes in different order and tempo.
I think Muse have managed to find a good balance between simplicity and complexity, at least on TR. We have very simple (in terms of composition) Uprising, Undisclosed Desires, and complex ones (USoE, Exo).
Even if I love the resistance, I think it's biggest flaw is in the complexe songs (except exogenesis and MK ultra which are perfect and a little USoE even if I regret that the second part is just a repetition of the first one)
but some of the others are made in a way that I feel it's more like:
- look now we're using a clarinette
- look we're using an organ
- look matt took his guitare he's about to do something amazing with it
Just adding to this, I think that IBTY is a very interesting song. Harmonically it's very unique, the way it shifts from C minor (or F dorian I guess), D phrygian dominant, G minor and then just straight D major for the french interlude. And rhythmically it's got heaps of shit going on too. I think the clarinet compliments the timbre of the song really well. I can understand people not liking it (the pop sound and it's association with Twilight) but I think a lot of people confuse pop with simplicity. This is a very well written song IMO
Don't misunderstand meI love I belong to you as well, it's amazing and it reminds me of the showbiz era, and I think the clarinet fits perfectly in it.
It is just that on the resistance I felt that they added some stuff just to make the songs weirder.
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Did anyone rip the interviews?
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Face it- Muse is not the same young hungry band they were 10 years ago. No doubt OOS/Absolution was their creative peak and everything else has been a sellout.
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*bump* Just wondering if official, WB-approved versions of these interviews ever turned up anywhere. They certainly weren't in my CD/DVD set. Were they in the super-extra-special-fancy-palmprint edition? Because now I'm wishing I could watch them again and compare what the guys said to what I've heard for myself. It would be nice to know these interviews exist somewhere in the wild.
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