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Report this post | 18 Jul 2011 21:59 GMT | #2218500 |   | Split
Sort of related.

About 20 minutes ago, LulzSec hacked The Sun's homepage, making it redirect to a fake story detailing Rupert Murdoch's apparent suicide, which is obviously not true, but it was funny nonetheless.


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Report this post | 18 Jul 2011 21:59 GMT | #2218501 |   | Split
I wish Lulzsec did more fun stuff like that.


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Report this post | 18 Jul 2011 22:01 GMT | #2218503 |   | Split
Harmless stuff like that is stuff that I can live with. Them releasing passwords however...


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Report this post | 18 Jul 2011 22:04 GMT | #2218509 |   | Split
Aye. If they did more Sun hacking, I will warm to them...

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2011/jul/18/mystery-bag-bin-rebekah-brooks


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Report this post | 18 Jul 2011 22:24 GMT | #2218514 |   | Split
As of this post, thesun.co.uk is still fucked. The homepage automatically forwards www.new-times.co.uk/sun/, set up by LulzSec. However, that site is down due to too much traffic. If it's not working, this is what you're meant to be seeing.



EDIT: It now forwards to their LulzSec's Twitter feed.

'TheSun.co.uk now redirects to our twitter feed. Hello, everyone that wanted to visit The Sun! How is your day? Good? Good!'


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Report this post | 18 Jul 2011 22:20 GMT | #2218517 |   | Split
thesun.co.uk now redirects to their twitter page.

I don't get the www.new-times.co.uk/sun/ though, I get error 403, forbidden access or something.


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Report this post | 18 Jul 2011 22:54 GMT | #2218522 |   | Split
Everyone does. There was so much traffic that it went down. That pic is a screenshot of what SHOULD be/was at www.new-times.co.uk/sun/.

"WE HAVE JOY WE HAVE FUN, WE HAVE MESSED UP MURDOCH'S SUN" - LulzSec's Twitter

EDIT: They're now screwing up News International's site to do the same thing.
"So News International released this AMAZING statement on The Sun: http://t.co/0J4qLZU We improved it for them though!"

EDIT2: Now posting journalists' phone numbers (including The Sun's online editor) and messing with The Times' site.


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Report this post | 19 Jul 2011 00:23 GMT | #2218596 |   | Split
Apparently they have said that they are going to leak NOTW emails


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Report this post | 19 Jul 2011 00:25 GMT | #2218598 |   | Split
I hope whatever lulzsec does, it doesn't impede the police investigations.

Some accounts from newsagents that lack of NotW has hit sales, and most aren't buying alternatives. Which is great if people have managed to avoid Daily Mail and Express' expensive ad-campaign recently.


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Report this post | 19 Jul 2011 00:28 GMT | #2218599 |   | Split
Rupert Murdoch is one of the bad guys


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Report this post | 19 Jul 2011 00:49 GMT | #2218613 |   | Split
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DG7IURgryjA

Sky News report on the hacking live, blaming it on Anonymous and calling their twitter page 'The Louise Boat.' Under News Corp's wing or not, Sky News still make dicks of themselves.


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Report this post | 19 Jul 2011 08:36 GMT | #2218641 |   | Split
I saw that last night! I had no idea what the toff they were talking about, Louise Boat...what idiots.

Anyway, is anyone going to watch the Murdoc/Brooks questioning live today? I'm at work, but I have permission to watch it, as long as I still do the work of course


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Report this post | 19 Jul 2011 13:01 GMT | #2218704 |   | Split
I'll be watching it live.
Just watched the Police head press officer...he got owned.
Currently Mr Yates in. Alot seems to lead to him, I want him to get lynched by this panel.


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Report this post | 19 Jul 2011 13:40 GMT | #2218718 |   | Split
Can't help but feel this inquiry will end up feeling like one big garden party. Everyone being chummy and nice.


also, the Murdoch's seem creepy


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Report this post | 19 Jul 2011 13:44 GMT | #2218722 |   | Split
Yeah.
Although for all his flaws and Knobishness, Murdoch snr does love the paper press side of media, I reckon he is thoroughly "humbled" atm.
He doesn't dislike other media for the business side, but back to this....hmmmm thus far.


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Report this post | 19 Jul 2011 14:04 GMT | #2218731 |   | Split
Im loving the twitter reaction atm. Charlie Brooker comes out with some good tweets.

I see James is doing all the talking, Rupert acting like he knows nothing.

Im glad the questioners are trying to get at Rupert and not James...


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Report this post | 19 Jul 2011 14:11 GMT | #2218735 |   | Split
Yep.
But at the same time, he might not know that much.
As he said, NoTW is less than 1% of his business empire...


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Report this post | 19 Jul 2011 14:45 GMT | #2218745 |   | Split
True, but if the head of the company doesnt know or care about illegal activities lower down, well...thats not right. If i were him, id want to get answers and put in a system whereby there is more transparency.
And it must be quite a kick in the backside for the ex-NotW staff to be described as just a 1% of his big empire.


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Report this post | 19 Jul 2011 14:55 GMT | #2218750 |   | Split
Why?
CEO's are not involved with that kind of running of the business.
As much as I dislike Murdoch and his empire, he's not in the position to be aware of all this.
Also he says at one point, "they didn't tell me" with regards to an illegal activity an hour or so back...
To which the questioner asked, and i'm paraphrasing..."do you think it would be as they felt you would not care?" He said no, that's not why.
Which is true. You would not go to your chief with such news, maybe the head of the paper...who will go to the next head. It may not reach Mr. Murdoch, which is fair enough, in situations.
He might want more transparency after this, I don't know. Then again he's a businessman, he may not, but in a standard business, unless directly involved, the CEO rarely gets involved with such issues.

And how is it a kick in their backside? That is what they are...
A one day a week paper based publisher. In the UK, so a relatively small demographic. They in the Murdoch NI media franchise, are, factually and in size a small %.


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Report this post | 19 Jul 2011 14:58 GMT | #2218751 |   | Split
So you dont expect the CEO's to not know that their staff are being convicted of illegal activities, that they pay out millions of pounds for settlements? That they're being investigated by police and other inquiries?

Absurd.

And it doesnt matter if they ARE technically 1%, i doubt it makes them feel great they were sacrificed to save his own attempts to takeover BskyB.


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Report this post | 19 Jul 2011 15:12 GMT | #2218759 |   | Split
When it's not in the public eye, then no. Not really, or not in detail atleast. The head of the Legal division in such large businesses is the person incharge of such issues, due to the complexities of employment law, etc. It why such HLO's are paid such high wages...they are incharge of all legal issues in the company.
Initially it was not the convictions for illegal activities. It was a civil case/cases, with a lower threshold of proof. And the out of court settlements are not necessarily relevant...there are many reasons to settle. Including a fear they may not succeed in the case, so the offer is better than running the risk due to the lawyers such a company can afford.
Whether or not that's fair is another point.

He will have aware of issues involving illegality to a certain extent, as he has mentioned a few times. However it is not his job as such to manage the legal side. He is made aware when it is necessary for him to be, obviously. Due to autonomy of individual arms of the umbrella company.
He is the CEO, he makes strategic decisions to develop and expand the company...which also explains his willingness to 'sacrifice' the small NoTW in order to obtain the multibillion pound BSkyB. I'm sorry, that is a strategic business decision which makes sense in that respect. Unfortunate.
But at the same time, many reporters in the paper knew this issue existed, probably more than higher ups, yet they did seemingly nothing to cautarise the wound before it became this widespread infection. Their own willingness to accept such media practices to maintain their paper is part of their downfall. Anyone complicit is culpable for their own downfall, in the end.


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Report this post | 19 Jul 2011 15:32 GMT | #2218770 |   | Split
But you misunderstand my point, im not commenting whether or not it was fair to sacrifice the NotW for other plans. Im saying that Mr Murdoch's comment will surely be seen slightly insensitive to those who lost their jobs. At least, if i was in their position, i would feel a little upset with that.

Of course, Murdoch won't know the full ins and outs, he has a whole team...and a lot of illegal activities will have been kept hidden. But he will know activities happens, it is endemic in newspapers in Britain, and for many years it has been brought to his attention that these things happen. And no self respecting CEO would simply overlook it. And after been requested to offer information, surely they would launch an extensive internal investigation. Any other CEO for any other type of business would spend a lot of time to eradicate illegal wrongdoings.

All these previous investigations into NotW.....pay-off's....figures in the Met and politics spending personal time with top people in News International.

And unfortunately this is all to find out if Murdoch can prove he is fit and proper to buy up the rest of the shares in BSkyB. If he can't root out illegal activities in his businesses, or have others put systems in place, then he shouldnt be given greater media power.

I agree with you, so many more people at the newspaper, in News International are guilty of being complacent and committing offences. But they will face their own inquiries, and the Murdoch's have to take their own share of responsibility.


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Report this post | 19 Jul 2011 15:40 GMT | #2218775 |   | Split
You're misunderstanding my point aswell, it's not insensitive, it's fact. If they feel upset that he made a truthful comment about the size of his company in respect to his knowledge of that media base (an entirely different line of questioning to NoTW lay offs), then they are clearly oversensitive. It's not a related point, he may still regret laying off those people. But, in respect to his knowledge, the company is less than 1% of his empire, so he will not have a massive amount of knowledge of the inner workings.

And yes, he will probably have known bits, he definately failed to have an internal investigation when he should have.
Possibly in part due to delegation, as just mentioned, or just not caring, due to business reasons, or delegation, which was not followed through.
And they would and such measure may have been implemented by CLO, through audits, guidelines, minor investigations etc, however ineffective they were.
It definately hinders his fit and proper ownership. But after this things will be done...to coin the old phrase used alot in Parliament & Civil Service when they fuck up..."lessons will be learned," and this may or may not cause change, but will...as a veneer, make him seem like a fit and proper owner, for a future take over.
Especially with ownership of other media bases, etc, he is likely to eventually takeover Sky, bar Parliamentary intervention directly, or through ammendment of monopoly laws in the media.


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Report this post | 19 Jul 2011 16:27 GMT | #2218784 |   | Split
Only if he could have gotten his shot in.


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Report this post | 19 Jul 2011 16:07 GMT | #2218788 |   | Split
Now, Murdoch may be incharge of NI, he's a businessman, yes he can be seen as hugely powerful and pumps out propaganda effectively during elections etc. But the pie thing is retarded. I don't understand. He's not exactly a war ciminal, murderer, rapist or anything. He's currently a machiavellian villian. But, really?
All has happened is some twat has now distrupted the proceedings of a hugely important hearing, with great public interest. Delaying public access now and potentially including the tv stream. What a wanker.


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