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Report this post | 04 May 2011 08:39 GMT | #2187174 |   | Split
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Yet, everyone seems to prefer AV to FPTP.




I don't think that is true.


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Report this post | 04 May 2011 15:19 GMT | #2187310 |   | Split
My Maths teacher went off on one a little bit today. He started talking about AV, and a few people said they were going to vote no. The fact that they didn't understand that it wouldn't actually cause more minority candidates (Example given was the BNP) to win made me .


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Report this post | 04 May 2011 15:40 GMT | #2187317 |   | Split
My worry is the only people who are gonna be arsed to vote are the seriel voters who prefer the old ways and so AV won't win. Which is a shame.


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Report this post | 04 May 2011 15:49 GMT | #2187320 |   | Split
I did a bit of research about it in a newspaper today. I've been swayed with yes.


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Report this post | 04 May 2011 16:41 GMT | #2187341 |   | Split
Voting yes. A change is needed, and this is a small step for further change later on... Hopefully.


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Report this post | 05 May 2011 14:00 GMT | #2187674 |   | Split
Just been and voted Yes. Spoiled my Scottish election ballot though. Fuck da system yo.


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Report this post | 05 May 2011 14:04 GMT | #2187678 |   | Split
I only had two candidates for my local election, if I had more I would have spoiled it by ordering them by preference.


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Report this post | 05 May 2011 14:13 GMT | #2187681 |   | Split
Look at this absolute tripe the Sun printed today:

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Do your duty today
By DAVID CAMERON
Prime Minister
TODAY is a big day for our country. The AV referendum is on and our democracy is on the line.

Unless enough people get out and vote today, Britain is going to end up tomorrow with a new voting system that is unfair, unclear and unpopular around the world.

So here I want to give you five important reasons to make sure you get down the polling station - and vote NO to AV.

One: AV is complex. It would turn voting from something you do with your gut to something you do with a calculator.

Compare that to the system we use now. It's so simple you can sum it up in one sentence: we all pick our favourite candidate and the one with the most votes wins. Clear and easy to understand - and that's exactly the way a voting system should be. Two: AV trashes the principle at the heart of our democracy - one person, one vote.

For generations people campaigned so that whoever you are - man or woman, rich or poor - your vote would count the same. AV throws that idea out of the window.

Why? Because if you vote for a mainstream party - Conservative, Labour or Lib Dem - your vote can end up counting the same as the third or fourth votes of someone voting for the Monster Raving Loony Party. That is wrong and completely unfair.

Three: AV is a waste of money. Explaining a new voting system to people would cost millions in leaflets and advertising - and that's not to mention the new electronic voting machines we might have to buy to make sense of all the different vote calculations.

At a time when money is so tight, if you ask me, those millions would be far better spent in our hospitals and schools.

Four: AV takes power away from people and gives it to politicians. There's nothing that says "people power" like the sight of the removal vans in Downing Street, old governments making way for the new. But under AV that would be much less likely.

It would mean more grey areas in election results, and more opportunities for tired politicians to cling on to power long after their time. Just think - if we'd had AV last year, Gordon Brown could still be in Downing Street today.

Five: AV is incredibly unpopular around the world. Just three countries actually use it - Papua New Guinea, Fiji and Australia - and in Australia they want to get rid of it. Compare that to our system today. Used by 2.4 billion people all over the world, from America to India, it's one of Britain's most successful exports.

Do we really want to lose all that for something so unpopular across the planet? No.

I'll let the last word go to Winston Churchill. Many years ago he described AV as "the stupidest, the least scientific and the most unreal" voting system.




Most polls are putting the No campaign ahead comfortably. Seriously, if you've not bothered to vote, please do it. And don't listen to the nonsense the No campaign is spreading.


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Report this post | 05 May 2011 14:24 GMT | #2187684 |   | Split
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Look at this absolute tripe the Sun printed today:

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Do your duty today
By DAVID CAMERON
Prime Minister
TODAY is a big day for our country. The AV referendum is on and our democracy is on the line.

Unless enough people get out and vote today, Britain is going to end up tomorrow with a new voting system that is unfair, unclear and unpopular around the world.

So here I want to give you five important reasons to make sure you get down the polling station - and vote NO to AV.

One: AV is complex. It would turn voting from something you do with your gut to something you do with a calculator.

Compare that to the system we use now. It's so simple you can sum it up in one sentence: we all pick our favourite candidate and the one with the most votes wins. Clear and easy to understand - and that's exactly the way a voting system should be. Two: AV trashes the principle at the heart of our democracy - one person, one vote.

For generations people campaigned so that whoever you are - man or woman, rich or poor - your vote would count the same. AV throws that idea out of the window.

Why? Because if you vote for a mainstream party - Conservative, Labour or Lib Dem - your vote can end up counting the same as the third or fourth votes of someone voting for the Monster Raving Loony Party. That is wrong and completely unfair.

Three: AV is a waste of money. Explaining a new voting system to people would cost millions in leaflets and advertising - and that's not to mention the new electronic voting machines we might have to buy to make sense of all the different vote calculations.

At a time when money is so tight, if you ask me, those millions would be far better spent in our hospitals and schools.

Four: AV takes power away from people and gives it to politicians. There's nothing that says "people power" like the sight of the removal vans in Downing Street, old governments making way for the new. But under AV that would be much less likely.

It would mean more grey areas in election results, and more opportunities for tired politicians to cling on to power long after their time. Just think - if we'd had AV last year, Gordon Brown could still be in Downing Street today.

Five: AV is incredibly unpopular around the world. Just three countries actually use it - Papua New Guinea, Fiji and Australia - and in Australia they want to get rid of it. Compare that to our system today. Used by 2.4 billion people all over the world, from America to India, it's one of Britain's most successful exports.

Do we really want to lose all that for something so unpopular across the planet? No.

I'll let the last word go to Winston Churchill. Many years ago he described AV as "the stupidest, the least scientific and the most unreal" voting system.




Most polls are putting the No campaign ahead comfortably. Seriously, if you've not bothered to vote, please do it. And don't listen to the nonsense the No campaign is spreading.



"At a time when money is so tight, if you ask me, those millions would be far better spent in our hospitals and schools."

Bahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahaha. Cameron means, the very things that he's cutting back on? Oh god he really is grabbing at straws.

Voting this evening.


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Report this post | 05 May 2011 14:46 GMT | #2187689 |   | Split
The tragedy is that people will actually believe a lot of the bullshit that the "No" campagin has been peddling. That excerpt from The Sun is so ludicrous that I almost believed it. First Past The Post is completely outdated, and while AV isn't perfect, it's a step in the right direction, and it's mud in the face to David Cameron and his Eton boys club. That's a bonus for me.

Not that any of this matters I'd hazard a guess, because I think 'No' has it in the bag.



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Report this post | 05 May 2011 14:49 GMT | #2187690 |   | Split
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"At a time when money is so tight, if you ask me, those millions would be far better spent in our hospitals and schools."

Bahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahaha. Cameron means, the very things that he's cutting back on? Oh god he really is grabbing at straws.

Voting this evening.



We should make a petition, saying we want either AV or an additional 250 million spent on new hospitals and schools. Even though David Blunkett said this morning that figure was made up and it will cost more in the region of 90 million.

Meanwhile, Cameron is happy with replacing Trident, which according to Greenpeace will cost 97 billion over the next 30 years. That's about (if my maths doesn't suck) 3.23 billion per year. 35 times the cost of AV.

Just thought I'd try to put it into perspective.


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Report this post | 05 May 2011 14:51 GMT | #2187692 |   | Split
While AV isn't strides better than FPtP, the simply idiotic NO campaign has pushed me into the YES camp.

While I believe NO will win, if it's something like a 60/40 split in NO's favour, that 40 still count for something and it does show that a large percentage (certainly not an insignificant minority) are not happy with the current electoral process. Which is only a good thing.


The thing I still don't understand is, if AV is such an unfair voting system, why do both the Tories and Labour use it for their internal leadership campaigns? Pot meet kettle.


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Report this post | 05 May 2011 15:06 GMT | #2187697 |   | Split
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"At a time when money is so tight, if you ask me, those millions would be far better spent in our hospitals and schools."

Bahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahaha. Cameron means, the very things that he's cutting back on? Oh god he really is grabbing at straws.

Voting this evening.



We should make a petition, saying we want either AV or an additional 250 million spent on new hospitals and schools. Even though David Blunkett said this morning that figure was made up and it will cost more in the region of 90 million.

Meanwhile, Cameron is happy with replacing Trident, which according to Greenpeace will cost 97 billion over the next 30 years. That's about (if my maths doesn't suck) 3.23 billion per year. 35 times the cost of AV.

Just thought I'd try to put it into perspective.



I didn't realize that those figures were made up until now, god this makes me hate Cameron that little bit more. It would be wonderful if the yes vote prevailed. A change is needed, and if this is only a small step it's still a step.


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Report this post | 05 May 2011 15:24 GMT | #2187703 |   | Split
I'm working at a poll station all day today and turn out is really poor and mainly old people who will vote no. If you haven't yet please go vote.


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Report this post | 05 May 2011 15:55 GMT | #2187720 |   | Split
I visited my polling station ages ago, my post box.


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Report this post | 05 May 2011 16:52 GMT | #2187752 |   | Split
I just voted.


You got some nerve, coming here.


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Report this post | 05 May 2011 16:58 GMT | #2187757 |   | Split
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I just voted.






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Report this post | 05 May 2011 17:09 GMT | #2187764 |   | Split
When I went to the polling station there were hardly any names crossed off the sheet that I was on, so if that's anything to go by, the predicted low turn out looks about right.



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Report this post | 05 May 2011 17:45 GMT | #2187782 |   | Split
The apathy in this country is so frustrating.


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Report this post | 05 May 2011 17:47 GMT | #2187785 |   | Split
Done. Voted Yes. Looking at the sheet of paper in the polling station, about 35% of the names had been crossed off. I'd hope that that number will rise as people get home from work... At school today there were so many people saying that they were going to vote No, and when I asked them why, they just shrugged their shoulders. Really frustrating when people don't justify an argument.


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Report this post | 05 May 2011 18:12 GMT | #2187807 |   | Split
There were a lot in my physics class who said they were voting no without much reason. My teacher was voting yes plus one other person in my class.


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Report this post | 05 May 2011 18:19 GMT | #2187811 |   | Split
Voted.


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Report this post | 05 May 2011 19:36 GMT | #2187867 |   | Split
Voted.


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Report this post | 05 May 2011 19:45 GMT | #2187878 |   | Split
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Voted.




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Report this post | 05 May 2011 20:27 GMT | #2187901 |   | Split
Also voted.


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