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Report this post | 27 Apr 2011 18:27 GMT | #2184141 |   | Split
The problem with complete PR is that you lose the aspect of having one person from each area of the country to represent that area's interests. There may be some way to get rid of that element, but I haven't heard of any way of keeping that local interest aspect.

I'm still undecided as to which way I'm going to vote. Both the Yes and No campaigns have been ridiculous, to be honest. I'll probably get to the point of actually voting and still not be sure how I'm going to vote. It isn't a case of me not knowing how the systems work, and the No campaign is oh so wrong when it says that AV is super complicated on the difficulty of voting front, it's just I'm not sure between the two. My head tells me, most of the time, that AV is the suitable way to go, and voting No would just be stalling our country's political system, but then the rest of me isn't sure at all.

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Report this post | 27 Apr 2011 19:38 GMT | #2184180 |   | Split
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Report this post | 28 Apr 2011 05:27 GMT | #2184378 |   | Split
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The problem with complete PR is that you lose the aspect of having one person from each area of the country to represent that area's interests. There may be some way to get rid of that element, but I haven't heard of any way of keeping that local interest aspect.



With you on that one: having MPs is one of the only benefits of the current system. If we did go for PR I expect it'd be some kind of British one that somehow retained regional representatives.

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I'm still undecided as to which way I'm going to vote. Both the Yes and No campaigns have been ridiculous, to be honest. I'll probably get to the point of actually voting and still not be sure how I'm going to vote. It isn't a case of me not knowing how the systems work, and the No campaign is oh so wrong when it says that AV is super complicated on the difficulty of voting front, it's just I'm not sure between the two. My head tells me, most of the time, that AV is the suitable way to go, and voting No would just be stalling our country's political system, but then the rest of me isn't sure at all.



I know, both campaigns have been assuming that the public are dumb as a bag of hammers. I was marginally less annoyed at the Yes campaign because they hadn't gone for ad hominem attacks (unlike No's "tell Clegg where to stick it" angle) but then Vince Cable comes out and says that voting Yes will poke Cameron in the eye. I despair!

Saying that the No campaign's "she needs more doctors, not a new voting system", complete with entirely invented figures about how much it'll cost practically made me throw up. Mawkish emotional bullshit instead of *facts* about the choice we have to make. Fucking annoying!

AV isn't that complicated and whether or not it'll help parties like the BNP is irrelevant. Does it make votes fairer? Then it's a good thing. That's the point of democracy - sometimes people like the BNP get voted in *because people vote for them*. Use that argument with any other party and it looks mercenary and ridiculous. Our current system makes most people's votes worthless and seats in Parliament don't correspond at all to votes cast. If AV makes that a bit better then it's worth it!


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Report this post | 28 Apr 2011 13:26 GMT | #2184502 |   | Split
Sadly, most of the general public are as dumb as a bag of hammers, or they may as well be when it comes to voting next Thursday. Only about 10% of the people I've spoken to about it even know what the referendum is, let alone understand AV. As far as the public is concerned, saying 'FPTP is the most votes wins!' is enough to convince them.

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Report this post | 28 Apr 2011 15:52 GMT | #2184562 |   | Split
I started out quite interested in this referendum...but as both sides of the campaign have stepped up and tried harder, ive become a little disillusioned. Seems like both sides of the argument are being used to meet Lib Dem or Conservative aims. Its sad that a lot people go on the "tradition" argument, as if we've had the same systems in place for hundreds of years and can never be progressed. I dont know if i feel AV would make a positive change, if any change whatsoever. So im stuck, really.


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Report this post | 29 Apr 2011 21:23 GMT | #2185111 |   | Split

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Report this post | 01 May 2011 10:03 GMT | #2185632 |   | Split
I found this quite entertaining.




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Report this post | 01 May 2011 10:24 GMT | #2185643 |   | Split
^That's a good example, but saying that David Cameron is only in because of AV is probably not helping its cause


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Report this post | 01 May 2011 10:56 GMT | #2185669 |   | Split
Of course, saying that David Cameron had the clear backing of the voters is a bit of a fudge.


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Report this post | 03 May 2011 14:33 GMT | #2186865 |   | Split
I will probably vote NO.

I don't see the switch to AV as a step in any direction let alone the right one.


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Report this post | 03 May 2011 14:36 GMT | #2186867 |   | Split
I'm curious, since I don't live in Britain... What does the general view seem to be? Is it going to be a landslide yes/no, or is it really on the fence?


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Report this post | 03 May 2011 14:52 GMT | #2186874 |   | Split
I'd be more curious to know how many will actually bother to turn up and vote in the first place. Is a quorum of sorts required or can just 20% of the population decide the nations fate?
Seems rather apt to me.


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Report this post | 03 May 2011 15:01 GMT | #2186876 |   | Split
Last I read, the No campaign has a slight edge.

I've tried to convince pretty much everyone I know that voting No is silly. I don't know very many people though

Also- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jm5IBhrq_PU&feature=player_embedded


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Report this post | 03 May 2011 15:14 GMT | #2186885 |   | Split
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Also- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jm5IBhrq_PU&feature=player_embedded




I respect that you like the idea of AV, but that video is just retarded. Its still far too simple in its explanation and most pubs serve coffee anyway.. and lets be honest, no one is that civilised when it comes to politics and your beliefs see this thread.


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Report this post | 03 May 2011 15:27 GMT | #2186890 |   | Split
I suspect I won't vote.


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Report this post | 03 May 2011 16:33 GMT | #2186914 |   | Split
^If you're not going to vote, you might as well give us another Yes. Need all the help possible

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Also- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jm5IBhrq_PU&feature=player_embedded




I respect that you like the idea of AV, but that video is just retarded. Its still far too simple in its explanation and most pubs serve coffee anyway.. and lets be honest, no one is that civilised when it comes to politics and your beliefs see this thread.



Well, it certainly is a simplistic way of putting it, but it's an analogy that works quite well.

If I vote in the next general election and it's still FPTP, my vote will be inconsequential as my constituency is a safe Labour seat. As you can see from that link, they won with 51.5% of the vote, which under AV would mean it goes to Labour again. But the turnout was 66.6%, and I'm willing to bet a lot of those who didn't vote, done so because they felt their vote would be wasted. With AV, people could place their actual first choice - let's say Green for argument's sake - then place Labour as their second choice. That would show us properly how much support the Green candidate has, but would probably still result in Labour bagging the seat. And at the same time, the Labour MP would be forced to campaign for the support of swing voters, rather than just saying 'We'll win if all the Labour supporters turn up and vote.', which is how most constituencies are won.

It's not a flawless system by any means, and many 'safe seats' will probably remain. But it goes some way toward showing what the majority of people want, not what the biggest minority vote for.


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Report this post | 03 May 2011 16:34 GMT | #2186916 |   | Split
I honestly think it's too close to call right now. The fact that only 31 people have voted in this poll is indicative of the apathy towards the referendum.


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Report this post | 03 May 2011 16:37 GMT | #2186917 |   | Split
I think a lot of people just don't understand it, or rather can't be bothered taking the time to learn what AV actually is. People are so easily swayed by the 'One person, one vote!' argument.

I also forgot to mention, I walked past a 'Labour - No to AV' sign on a lamp post today. I thought it was weird, then I remembered Scottish Labour pretty much relies on safe seats to win every time.


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Report this post | 03 May 2011 16:42 GMT | #2186920 |   | Split
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I think a lot of people just don't understand it, or rather can't be bothered taking the time to learn what AV actually is.



It's almost certainly the latter. A lot of people can't be bothered with change. It also appears that quite a few people were swayed by the "AV will cost 250 million" adverts.


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Report this post | 03 May 2011 17:02 GMT | #2186926 |   | Split
If they are going to change the system this much, then they might as well make voting compulsory by law in the U.K.. that way you really do get a fair representation of what everyone is after and you don't get a situation where a low undecided turn out ends up defaulting to the second or even third choices for government... whats good about that exactly.

A lot of the time, parties with low numbers of votes are in that position for a reason, why make people have to give second or third choices..

Its like University, no one really wants their second choice.


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Report this post | 03 May 2011 17:02 GMT | #2186928 |   | Split
That would really annoy a lot of people, you can't even agree on a compulsary ID card.
Imagine trying to make people vote.
Outrageous.


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Report this post | 03 May 2011 17:02 GMT | #2186929 |   | Split
If everyone was forced to vote, I think you'd get a huge increase in joke votes, where people would just vote for somebody for a laugh. Isn't that how Boris Johnson became mayor...?


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Report this post | 03 May 2011 17:03 GMT | #2186930 |   | Split
They do it in Australia and a number of other countries.


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Report this post | 03 May 2011 17:07 GMT | #2186936 |   | Split
I don't think compulsory voting is a bad idea. I'd vote Yes to it in a referendum, but I think the turnout would be really low.

:P


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Report this post | 03 May 2011 17:30 GMT | #2186947 |   | Split
I'm quite surprised by the low percentage of informal(wasted) votes in Australia. I think the fact that you have to actually go most people choose to at least do something.

http://www.crikey.com.au/2010/08/25/crikey-clarifier-the-history-of-the-informal-vote-in-australia/


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