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It's because they're so similar that people keep getting them mixed up.
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Well you need to have some type of comparison to make when you want to talk about how to make music the right way compared to the way Muse do it.
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It was a fine era. Break Like The Wind was especially outstanding.
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It's because they're so similar that people keep getting them mixed up.
I know there's like a really boring band and then Muse.
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Resistance was an ok era. Biggest dissapintment was probably Exo, by the way Bellamy was talking about it, I thought it would rival Nightwish - Ghost Love Score or Poet And The Pendulum --but no it didn't. Nowhere near!
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And seriously Muse vs Radiohead debate died about 9 years ago. They are NOTHING AT ALL ALIKE!!! I would easily see Muse twice every tour as I have been for the last 2 tours, whereas Radiohead I would rather have my nuts squeezed in a vice before even considering it. I can hold a tune better than Thom Yorke....my dog could probably hold tune better than Thom Yorke!!!
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I have hope for the next Muse album and, like someone said in an earlier reply, they need someone to put them back on track and keep their heads level, before they take the OTT style any further.
I've enjoyed listening to everything Muse have done, but obviously some of their songs are weaker than others. I would to see them release something raw, but with the experimentation that they've included in recent years.
I haven't lost faith yet
EDIT: I also enjoyed The Resistance, and I think they've gotten it out of their system, along with NSC so the next album can be one of their best, if not the best yet.
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I enjoyed the album until like a year ago. I've come to the conclusion that I like Absolution and OOS way more! Don't know about BHaR, bit of the same probably. It's still good. but not one of my favorites.
I've seen them live twice, and especially the second gig was amazing (Goffertpark). Amazing setlist and amazing show!
Still would like to see the return of the heavy Muse (2004 era).
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It's because they're so similar that people keep getting them mixed up.
I know there's like a really boring band and then Muse.
So you're saying Muse are really boring?
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final reflections.
does that mean this is the death of this album's discussion? i feel sad. When Muse make their last album.. will there be a thread here saying "Muse: Final Reflections" and then the whole site will be locked for people only to view likes its an artifact but never to be able to post...
what a weird thought.
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It's because they're so similar that people keep getting them mixed up.
I know there's like a really boring band and then Muse.
So you're saying Muse are really boring?
I think that's what he's saying. And then he mistyped Radiohead as "Muse" beause they're basically the same.
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I have high hopes that Rat Bellamy will have some kind of accident. Then have a reason to stop making music and get plastic surgery and become one of the hollywood elite.
By elite I mean shallow petty people.
By shallow petty people, I mean Muse.
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I have high hopes that Rat Bellamy will have some kind of accident. Then have a reason to stop making music and get plastic surgery and become one of the hollywood elite.
By elite I mean shallow petty people.
By shallow petty people, I mean Muse.
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No surprises which one has the gun.
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No surprises which one has the gun.
Being black I always pack heat. It's the only way to make sure I survive in the small bigoted area of.... Crawley?
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If think that if I was in a band I would always want to feel like the music I released last is the best music I've ever made, and I really don't think Muse feels like that with TR. And for their next album they should.
Actually, I think this is your opinion of the album...not MUSE's opinion! I remember Matt and Dom saying that they are immensley proud of what they have released...unfortunately what they have grown into on this album isnt necessarily what a lot of people on here and .mu want them to be!
The guys are not a band to release sub-standard pap and I'm sure Warner wouldnt have released it either if they weren't happy! So I'm damn sure that they are happy with it, even if you weren't.
My visibility on these boards is shrinking due to people like you and your constant bashing because its not waht you expected...we are all entitled to our opinion but fuck me Im sick of hearing what sounds like a stuck record!
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If think that if I was in a band I would always want to feel like the music I released last is the best music I've ever made, and I really don't think Muse feels like that with TR. And for their next album they should.
Actually, I think this is your opinion of the album...not MUSE's opinion! I remember Matt and Dom saying that they are immensley proud of what they have released...unfortunately what they have grown into on this album isnt necessarily what a lot of people on here and .mu want them to be!
First, she said "I really don't think Muse feels like that with TR". So we can just throw all the "that's your opinion" stuff out of the window right from the get go.
We know that Matt has said he's proud of it, and it's the best thing they've released. Just like he did with Black Holes. Just like he did with Absolution. And probably just like he did with Origin. He's not going to come out say, "This album is a shit" is he? It's part of the sell.
I think what Ayla was saying, was that she doesn't believe that Muse think it's the best music they've ever made, despite what they've said. Whether that's true or not, nobody but Muse can say.
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The guys are not a band to release sub-standard pap and I'm sure Warner wouldnt have released it either if they weren't happy! So I'm damn sure that they are happy with it, even if you weren't.
I don't understand this point. Are we suggesting that Warner would never peddle something they knew was bad as good just to make some money? I hate to break it to you but they're a record company. At the end of the day, they care about money. If they could employ chimpanzees to write music that people would buy and they only had to pay them in bananas, they'd do it in a heartbeat. It's not like Willy Wonka's chocolate factory at Warner HQ, making music with love to put smiles on the faces of children. It's a cold, hard, ruthless money making machine.
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My visibility on these boards is shrinking due to people like you and your constant bashing because its not waht you expected...we are all entitled to our opinion but fuck me Im sick of hearing what sounds like a stuck record!
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No offence, but that's a failing on your part, not hers. If you're unprepared to hear someone saying you don't agree with, you don't belong on the internet. They weren't bashing the band. They just said that they don't think that the band truly believes that The Resistance was the best thing they've released. That's nothing compared to what some people say about the band.
Part of being a fan of something is your ability to look past your love of it and accept any flaws it may have. There are many things I love that have flaws. But I love them all the same. I love Suede but I know they lost the plot after Coming Up. I love Pulp Fiction but think it slows down a little in the middle. I love my girlfriend even though she likes mussels and cockles. You can't just blindly follow something accepting everything about it without question, or you're deluded.
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If think that if I was in a band I would always want to feel like the music I released last is the best music I've ever made, and I really don't think Muse feels like that with TR. And for their next album they should.
Actually, I think this is your opinion of the album...not MUSE's opinion! I remember Matt and Dom saying that they are immensley proud of what they have released...unfortunately what they have grown into on this album isnt necessarily what a lot of people on here and .mu want them to be!
First, she said "I really don't think Muse feels like that with TR". So we can just throw all the "that's your opinion" stuff out of the window right from the get go.
We know that Matt has said he's proud of it, and it's the best thing they've released. Just like he did with Black Holes. Just like he did with Absolution. And probably just like he did with Origin. He's not going to come out say, "This album is a shit" is he? It's part of the sell.
I think what Ayla was saying, was that she doesn't believe that Muse think it's the best music they've ever made, despite what they've said. Whether that's true or not, nobody but Muse can say.
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The guys are not a band to release sub-standard pap and I'm sure Warner wouldnt have released it either if they weren't happy! So I'm damn sure that they are happy with it, even if you weren't.
I don't understand this point. Are we suggesting that Warner would never peddle something they knew was bad as good just to make some money? I hate to break it to you but they're a record company. At the end of the day, they care about money. If they could employ chimpanzees to write music that people would buy and they only had to pay them in bananas, they'd do it in a heartbeat. It's not like Willy Wonka's chocolate factory at Warner HQ, making music with love to put smiles on the faces of children. It's a cold, hard, ruthless money making machine.
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My visibility on these boards is shrinking due to people like you and your constant bashing because its not waht you expected...we are all entitled to our opinion but fuck me Im sick of hearing what sounds like a stuck record!
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No offence, but that's a failing on your part, not hers. If you're unprepared to hear someone saying you don't agree with, you don't belong on the internet. They weren't bashing the band. They just said that they don't think that the band truly believes that The Resistance was the best thing they've released. That's nothing compared to what some people say about the band.
Part of being a fan of something is your ability to look past your love of it and accept any flaws it may have. There are many things I love that have flaws. But I love them all the same. I love Suede but I know they lost the plot after Coming Up. I love Pulp Fiction but think it slows down a little in the middle. I love my girlfriend even though she likes mussels and cockles. You can't just blindly follow something accepting everything about it without question, or you're deluded.
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First, she said "I really don't think Muse feels like that with TR". So we can just throw all the "that's your opinion" stuff out of the window right from the get go.
So, why are we throwing this out of the window - I know what I read but I don't think that the guys would put this out if they didn't feel strong/confident/proud of what they have produced.
Ayla's view is based on what? Comments from the band? Comments from a producer/engineer that have said 'yeah, its alright...Matt's not too bothered cos he know it will sell'...
I haven't seen anything like this, have you? In fact, I remember hearing Matt say in an interview that he is, in terms of influence, Classical first and Rock second. A bit of wild speculation but maybe the guys knew from the start that this wouldn't sell but as their career has developed they have pushed their compositions down a line much closer to what they actually want to be playing on the road for 18 months at a time. As I said, merely an interesting view point and not based on fact.
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I don't understand this point. Are we suggesting that Warner would never peddle something they knew was bad as good just to make some money? I hate to break it to you but they're a record company. At the end of the day, they care about money. If they could employ chimpanzees to write music that people would buy and they only had to pay them in bananas, they'd do it in a heartbeat. It's not like Willy Wonka's chocolate factory at Warner HQ, making music with love to put smiles on the faces of children. It's a cold, hard, ruthless money making machine.
You don't have to break it to me about the record industry - I've worked in and around it for almost four years and I know how it works. I do agree with you view point on bananas and chimps though - record companies will try and churn out quick selling, minimal investment musical rubbish to generated as much cash as they can.
These acts however have no longevity and slowly disappear as quickly as they appear. MUSE are a different act entirely. They have worked with Warner for a long time, with a significant amount of investment both in time and money and I'm damn sure that if the executive team were unhappy with the product then they would have made their feelings known to the band, the band's management etc.
All personal feelings aside in terms of my band choice here, but I know for a fact that The Wombats had a large amount of material thrown out by their label as they weren't happy with it. Yes, Warner wanted the album to sell (and damn me it did in its thousands) but they also want to make sure that the music is good enough to be associated with the label.
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No offence, but that's a failing on your part, not hers. If you're unprepared to hear someone saying you don't agree with, you don't belong on the internet. They weren't bashing the band. They just said that they don't think that the band truly believes that The Resistance was the best thing they've released. That's nothing compared to what some people say about the band.
Part of being a fan of something is your ability to look past your love of it and accept any flaws it may have. There are many things I love that have flaws. But I love them all the same. I love Suede but I know they lost the plot after Coming Up. I love Pulp Fiction but think it slows down a little in the middle. I love my girlfriend even though she likes mussels and cockles. You can't just blindly follow something accepting everything about it without question, or you're deluded.
This, to be honest was a comment that I shouldn't have even made and was written on a whim and made me sound like some sort of fan boy that has loved everything they have ever produced...I can tell you that Black Holes didn't particularly strike a chord with me and is by far my least favourite of the albums!
The section noted in bold goes back to my original point: based on what?! This is her opinion not the bands.
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If they could employ chimpanzees to write music that people would buy and they only had to pay them in bananas, they'd do it in a heartbeat.
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If think that if I was in a band I would always want to feel like the music I released last is the best music I've ever made, and I really don't think Muse feels like that with TR. And for their next album they should.
Actually, I think this is your opinion of the album...not MUSE's opinion! I remember Matt and Dom saying that they are immensley proud of what they have released...unfortunately what they have grown into on this album isnt necessarily what a lot of people on here and .mu want them to be!
The guys are not a band to release sub-standard pap and I'm sure Warner wouldnt have released it either if they weren't happy! So I'm damn sure that they are happy with it, even if you weren't.
My visibility on these boards is shrinking due to people like you and your constant bashing because its not waht you expected...we are all entitled to our opinion but fuck me Im sick of hearing what sounds like a stuck record!
/rant over
Undisclosed Desires, anyone? :P
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UD is quite possibly the best song on the album, bad example, you had quite a lot of choice there as well.
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UD is quite possibly the best song on the album, bad example, you had quite a lot of choice there as well.
Undisclosed Desires is the most underrated Muse song ever. It's fucking brilliant, actually.
And I pretty much agree with everything Hendo17 said, although I don't think Warner would care if they didn't like an album - just as long as they thought it would make money.
There are heaps of Muselivers who don't like The Resisance and think they need to validate their opinion by somehow enlisting Muse themselves into their cause. There is absolutely ZERO evidence that anyone from Muse isn't completely satisfied with the album.
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If think that if I was in a band I would always want to feel like the music I released last is the best music I've ever made, and I really don't think Muse feels like that with TR. And for their next album they should.
Actually, I think this is your opinion of the album...not MUSE's opinion! I remember Matt and Dom saying that they are immensley proud of what they have released...unfortunately what they have grown into on this album isnt necessarily what a lot of people on here and .mu want them to be!
First, she said "I really don't think Muse feels like that with TR". So we can just throw all the "that's your opinion" stuff out of the window right from the get go.
We know that Matt has said he's proud of it, and it's the best thing they've released. Just like he did with Black Holes. Just like he did with Absolution. And probably just like he did with Origin. He's not going to come out say, "This album is a shit" is he? It's part of the sell.
I think what Ayla was saying, was that she doesn't believe that Muse think it's the best music they've ever made, despite what they've said. Whether that's true or not, nobody but Muse can say.
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The guys are not a band to release sub-standard pap and I'm sure Warner wouldnt have released it either if they weren't happy! So I'm damn sure that they are happy with it, even if you weren't.
I don't understand this point. Are we suggesting that Warner would never peddle something they knew was bad as good just to make some money? I hate to break it to you but they're a record company. At the end of the day, they care about money. If they could employ chimpanzees to write music that people would buy and they only had to pay them in bananas, they'd do it in a heartbeat. It's not like Willy Wonka's chocolate factory at Warner HQ, making music with love to put smiles on the faces of children. It's a cold, hard, ruthless money making machine.
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My visibility on these boards is shrinking due to people like you and your constant bashing because its not waht you expected...we are all entitled to our opinion but fuck me Im sick of hearing what sounds like a stuck record!
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No offence, but that's a failing on your part, not hers. If you're unprepared to hear someone saying you don't agree with, you don't belong on the internet. They weren't bashing the band. They just said that they don't think that the band truly believes that The Resistance was the best thing they've released. That's nothing compared to what some people say about the band.
Part of being a fan of something is your ability to look past your love of it and accept any flaws it may have. There are many things I love that have flaws. But I love them all the same. I love Suede but I know they lost the plot after Coming Up. I love Pulp Fiction but think it slows down a little in the middle. I love my girlfriend even though she likes mussels and cockles. You can't just blindly follow something accepting everything about it without question, or you're deluded.
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First, she said "I really don't think Muse feels like that with TR". So we can just throw all the "that's your opinion" stuff out of the window right from the get go.
So, why are we throwing this out of the window - I know what I read but I don't think that the guys would put this out if they didn't feel strong/confident/proud of what they have produced.
Ayla's view is based on what? Comments from the band? Comments from a producer/engineer that have said 'yeah, its alright...Matt's not too bothered cos he know it will sell'...
I haven't seen anything like this, have you? In fact, I remember hearing Matt say in an interview that he is, in terms of influence, Classical first and Rock second. A bit of wild speculation but maybe the guys knew from the start that this wouldn't sell but as their career has developed they have pushed their compositions down a line much closer to what they actually want to be playing on the road for 18 months at a time. As I said, merely an interesting view point and not based on fact.
Your opening line is that it's her opinion, not Muses. But she acknowledges that in her post. At no point does she say she has conclusive proof, or even any evidence in support of it - just that she believes it to be the case.
We're talking about people who we don't know and their hidden feelings. We can never know for sure. So all we can do is speculate. Sure, they've come out and said how happy they are with it. But what is that worth? How many times have you ever heard an artist come out and admit their latest album isn't very good? It's only years later that artists look back and admit their failings. Look at George Clooney promoting Batman and Robin, only to come out later and offer anyone who bought a ticket a refund because it was so bad. He knew it was shit at the time, but he didn't pipe up did he?
And Ayla didn't even go that far. All she said was that she didn't believe that Muse believed that this was the best work they'd ever done. There's nothing wrong with that. I'm sure many people feel that way.
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I don't understand this point. Are we suggesting that Warner would never peddle something they knew was bad as good just to make some money? I hate to break it to you but they're a record company. At the end of the day, they care about money. If they could employ chimpanzees to write music that people would buy and they only had to pay them in bananas, they'd do it in a heartbeat. It's not like Willy Wonka's chocolate factory at Warner HQ, making music with love to put smiles on the faces of children. It's a cold, hard, ruthless money making machine.
You don't have to break it to me about the record industry - I've worked in and around it for almost four years and I know how it works. I do agree with you view point on bananas and chimps though - record companies will try and churn out quick selling, minimal investment musical rubbish to generated as much cash as they can.
These acts however have no longevity and slowly disappear as quickly as they appear. MUSE are a different act entirely. They have worked with Warner for a long time, with a significant amount of investment both in time and money and I'm damn sure that if the executive team were unhappy with the product then they would have made their feelings known to the band, the band's management etc.
All personal feelings aside in terms of my band choice here, but I know for a fact that The Wombats had a large amount of material thrown out by their label as they weren't happy with it. Yes, Warner wanted the album to sell (and damn me it did in its thousands) but they also want to make sure that the music is good enough to be associated with the label.
The point I'm making is that what a record company is happy with is not what is artistically sound, but what is commercially viable. If it can be both, it's a winner, but if it can be only one they're going to go with the dollar.
They want a record to appeal to the maximum number of people to maximise their profits. And unfortunately, to appeal to a broad number of people generally means watering down. Look at how many bands that lost their edge when they started to become famous. Look at how many acts softened or started releasing less artistically challenging material. Just yesterday I was in a conversation about U2 who are a prime example of this.
It's almost a cliche to hear things like "Oh I liked their first album but after that I lost interest". But it's only said so often because so often is it true. Once the record companies get hold, bands often lose what makes them special in the name of appealing to the masses.
I hate to bring up the Radiohead comparison, but they're an exception - a band that stood back and decided that making music they wanted to make was more important than the needs of greedy studio executives. Most bands don't do that.
Again, this is not a critique of Muse, but rather just pointing out that the record company does not have the preservation of their artistic credibility as a priority - their main priority is making money. If the band produce something that says absolutely nothing but has a catchy chorus, they're all for it.
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No offence, but that's a failing on your part, not hers. If you're unprepared to hear someone saying you don't agree with, you don't belong on the internet. They weren't bashing the band. They just said that they don't think that the band truly believes that The Resistance was the best thing they've released. That's nothing compared to what some people say about the band.
Part of being a fan of something is your ability to look past your love of it and accept any flaws it may have. There are many things I love that have flaws. But I love them all the same. I love Suede but I know they lost the plot after Coming Up. I love Pulp Fiction but think it slows down a little in the middle. I love my girlfriend even though she likes mussels and cockles. You can't just blindly follow something accepting everything about it without question, or you're deluded.
This, to be honest was a comment that I shouldn't have even made and was written on a whim and made me sound like some sort of fan boy that has loved everything they have ever produced...I can tell you that Black Holes didn't particularly strike a chord with me and is by far my least favourite of the albums!
The section noted in bold goes back to my original point: based on what?! This is her opinion not the bands.
No worries.
And the section in bold just goes back to the original point of not knowing what the band truly feels. We don't know. They could genuinely believe that their current output is the best they've ever made. They could genuinely believe that if they continue this path they're going to hit a Wyld Stallyons style plateau, bringing peace and happiness to the world and uniting all nations. Similarly, they could be laughing at how much money they're making releasing shitty sub-standard Goldfrapp knock-offs.
We don't know, so all we can do is speculate. None of us can say for sure what the band believes, and short of a kidnapping and a truth serum it's going to stay that way.
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