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Report this post | 24 Apr 2010 11:37 GMT | #1932249 |   | Split
I'm started to dread this now, I don't think I can stand to watch another gig with the same boring setlist, I know it will be amazing because it's Wembley but it's the songs that matter to me and even with the choose the setlist, they may only play one song and I have no interest whatsoever in seeing Assassin, Bliss or Citizen Erased live. If they choose to play Fury or Showbiz then great but I can't help thinking i'll be really disappointed if they don't.


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I'm started to dread this now, I don't think I can stand to watch another gig with the same boring setlist, I know it will be amazing because it's Wembley but it's the songs that matter to me and even with the choose the setlist, they may only play one song and I have no interest whatsoever in seeing Assassin, Bliss or Citizen Erased live. If they choose to play Fury or Showbiz then great but I can't help thinking i'll be really disappointed if they don't.



I understand you, believe me. Sadly the fans in general tend to vote for songs that have been played live a lot in the past. Sadly there are too many "new fans" and they vote for songs that old fans like us have already had several times.
I mean, Citizen Erased, Bliss, Hyper music, Showbiz, sure I like those songs, and I'd love CE and Showbiz to be permanents in the setlist instead of llame Starlight or TIRO, but Muse gives you ONE CHANCE to choose your three top songs and you don't vote for their rarest songs! The fans blew it IMO.

Like you Bliss balloons, I've seen Muse a lot in the past, and I was really BORED last year when I saw them, apart from the songs from the new albums (and they didn't even play my two fav: Exogenesis II and I belong to you), the setlist is old, it's been played too much live (they must be fucking bored to be playing the same shit over and over, 7 years of time is running out, this is painful especially when it's far from being an ultimate Muse songs) I really don't care if they bring back two or three songs I've seen live in 2001 or 2003. I would have like to have never played li ve songs like Falling away with you, Eternally Missed (ok they played it twice... twice in ike 1000-2000 shows since they came up with it? Fucking ridiculous), Exo-politics (almost never been played live, real shame), I belong to you... Know what I mean?

The problem with Muse is that they have a LOT of great songs, but very few legendary songs. Guns N' Roses for example MUST play Welcome to the jungle, Sweet child o' mine, November Rain (and I'm not gonna write the whole stuff because they have so many legendary songs...), fans wouldn't buy tickets if they didn't play those songs, BUT as for Muse, I'd say they have written just two legendary songs: Knights of Cydonia and Citizen Erased. And maybe Space Dementia. But that's it. Their songs are quite simple in the structure, and you can easily swap a song for another, but even if they don't have much legendary songs, they have some great songs like Exo-politics, Dead Star, Shrinking Universe, Showbiz, and so on, and this is what I'd expect from their setlist. Sadly they go for the same boring singles that aren't even that great of songs imo.

Meanwhile, Japan had fewer dates than us in Europe but they got Dead star, Citizen Erased and Can't take my eyes off of you in the same setlist. I'm sure Muse themselves know how much it pisses off the hardcore fans. It's sad they have this attitude, they used to be my favourite band.


So I'll just bring my brother to one gig, but I know I'll get fucking bored, I'm really not looking forward to these show, the only way I'd enjoy it if somehow, they'd grow some balls and play a risky setlists with b-sides, old songs and real songs like Dead Star/ Fury/ Eternally Missed / Shrinking Universe/ Map of your head / Do we need this/ Showbiz. But not gonna happen.


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Report this post | 24 Apr 2010 14:42 GMT | #1932366 |   | Split
It was a clever ploy by the muse team, because they know the majority of the fans will vote for songs muse can quite easily get together and play live. So it may appease the fans for a bit, but when it comes to it, all the same songs will be played again. Citizen Erased, Bliss, Fury, Dead Star etc etc. It's understandable that there are those who want to see these songs, but it'd be great to see and hear a song they have never played before.


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Report this post | 24 Apr 2010 14:59 GMT | #1932386 |   | Split
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It was a clever ploy by the muse team, because they know the majority of the fans will vote for songs muse can quite easily get together and play live. So it may appease the fans for a bit, but when it comes to it, all the same songs will be played again. Citizen Erased, Bliss, Fury, Dead Star etc etc.



My thoughts exactly. I guess muselive really has some clever people logged on hehe.
I really think Muse knew what would be the obvious song (in christmas 2008, Matt told in response to "would you let muse fans decide for the whole setlist?" something like "maybe not the whole setlist because it would be all of OOS and b-sides, but maybe three or four songs"). And I think that even if I belong to you get the most votes, they won't play it and swap it for the second best voted song.

I think that Showbiz, Citizen Erased, Dead Star, and maybe Can't take my eyes off of you will be the songs that make a come back this summer, it's too obvious, they have played those recently (except showbiz), Matt is clever and knew what would get the most votes.
And I think this polls should never have been made, it's totally lame to ask the fans what they want, they should act like a real rock band and swap songs every now and then and do things their way and don't care if casual fans don't get the singles.


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Report this post | 24 Apr 2010 15:17 GMT | #1932411 |   | Split
In response to your post above this one, you understand that Japan got those rarities purely because they had only like 5 tour dates. One treat per show over there. It was a gift to their fans that hardly ever see them. Sort of like South America getting Space Dementia in 2008.


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Report this post | 24 Apr 2010 16:49 GMT | #1932509 |   | Split
I voted for CE because i've never seen it before but other than that, i think anything that makes a regular appearance on the setlists is frankly a waste of a vote... I voted exogenesis 2 and IBTY!


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Hi everyone !

For Muse gig in Stade de France on the 12th of June, a well-organised and very serious group of fans has been established to make this gig an unforgettable.
There's gonna have some huge visuals of Muse artworks, each person making a pixel with a sheet of paper. This and other ideas in this blog : http://12juin2010.canalblog.com/

Is there something similar planned for Wembley gig ??? It would be awesome !




Still nobody motivated for this ??? It would be amazing, I know there're things like that planned for Stade de France and San Siro gigs and it'd really be a shame if nothing special is planned for Wembley..
I can't do this alone, I don't even speak English fluently (I'm Belgian) BUT I can help, bring some ideas and translate everything into french to affect more people (and people from other countries could translate into their first language)..

Is there anybody who would devote themselves to this project ? Thank you !


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Report this post | 24 Apr 2010 22:23 GMT | #1932827 |   | Split
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I'm started to dread this now, I don't think I can stand to watch another gig with the same boring setlist, I know it will be amazing because it's Wembley but it's the songs that matter to me and even with the choose the setlist, they may only play one song and I have no interest whatsoever in seeing Assassin, Bliss or Citizen Erased live. If they choose to play Fury or Showbiz then great but I can't help thinking i'll be really disappointed if they don't.



I understand you, believe me. Sadly the fans in general tend to vote for songs that have been played live a lot in the past. Sadly there are too many "new fans" and they vote for songs that old fans like us have already had several times.
I mean, Citizen Erased, Bliss, Hyper music, Showbiz, sure I like those songs, and I'd love CE and Showbiz to be permanents in the setlist instead of llame Starlight or TIRO, but Muse gives you ONE CHANCE to choose your three top songs and you don't vote for their rarest songs! The fans blew it IMO.

Like you Bliss balloons, I've seen Muse a lot in the past, and I was really BORED last year when I saw them, apart from the songs from the new albums (and they didn't even play my two fav: Exogenesis II and I belong to you), the setlist is old, it's been played too much live (they must be fucking bored to be playing the same shit over and over, 7 years of time is running out, this is painful especially when it's far from being an ultimate Muse songs) I really don't care if they bring back two or three songs I've seen live in 2001 or 2003. I would have like to have never played li ve songs like Falling away with you, Eternally Missed (ok they played it twice... twice in ike 1000-2000 shows since they came up with it? Fucking ridiculous), Exo-politics (almost never been played live, real shame), I belong to you... Know what I mean?

The problem with Muse is that they have a LOT of great songs, but very few legendary songs. Guns N' Roses for example MUST play Welcome to the jungle, Sweet child o' mine, November Rain (and I'm not gonna write the whole stuff because they have so many legendary songs...), fans wouldn't buy tickets if they didn't play those songs, BUT as for Muse, I'd say they have written just two legendary songs: Knights of Cydonia and Citizen Erased. And maybe Space Dementia. But that's it. Their songs are quite simple in the structure, and you can easily swap a song for another, but even if they don't have much legendary songs, they have some great songs like Exo-politics, Dead Star, Shrinking Universe, Showbiz, and so on, and this is what I'd expect from their setlist. Sadly they go for the same boring singles that aren't even that great of songs imo.

Meanwhile, Japan had fewer dates than us in Europe but they got Dead star, Citizen Erased and Can't take my eyes off of you in the same setlist. I'm sure Muse themselves know how much it pisses off the hardcore fans. It's sad they have this attitude, they used to be my favourite band.


So I'll just bring my brother to one gig, but I know I'll get fucking bored, I'm really not looking forward to these show, the only way I'd enjoy it if somehow, they'd grow some balls and play a risky setlists with b-sides, old songs and real songs like Dead Star/ Fury/ Eternally Missed / Shrinking Universe/ Map of your head / Do we need this/ Showbiz. But not gonna happen.



Yeah I completely agree, if they really wanted a fan chosen setlist then they'd let us choose the whole thing, they've made fans think they're getting what they want but all we're really going to get is one maybe two songs per gig, big deal.

What really annoys me though is that they seem to have put very little thought into which songs they've allowed us to choose, I mean fair enough if there's certain songs that they're not prepared to play live I understand but why include songs such as TIRO and Starlight when we all know full well that they are going to play them anyway?

There's certain songs that new fans would expect to see live and would be dissapointed if they didn't play them like PIB and SS for example, but I'm not asking for them to drop their regular songs, they could easily give us four or five rarities and keep the old and new fans happy. It starting to seem very little about the music and more about trying to gain and appease new fans which I don't even understand why they feel the need to do.

Also last time I saw them at Wembley was incredible, my favourite gig ever and I was lucky enough to get a few surprises that I really didn't expect, like CE, Microcuts and Unitended, I know it's only three songs but it really made the gig special for me, but now with the fan chosen setlist there won't be any surprises because i'll already know they'll definitely play at least one of the five songs chosen and it won't be too hard to work out which one they'll choose, so now the surprise element of the gig is being taken away as well.

That risky setlist you've mentioned sounds amazing but I don't think we'll ever get anything like that. I started feeling like I had to go to a lot of gig's in one tour just in case they played a rare song and I missed it, which is really terrible that they've made the hardcore fans feel this way.

Anyway I just wished I lived in Japan, if they just played one of those songs it would be incredible and I agree I Belong To You would be stunning live, it's one of my favourite's off the album but I don't think Matt has the guts to sing in French live!

Sorry for the long post and if it didn't make much sense, i've just drank four JD's a cider and two vodka and cokes :P


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Report this post | 24 Apr 2010 23:19 GMT | #1932860 |   | Split
As far as the setlist thing goes. I'd like them to vary it up quite a lot now. I mean I get Plug In Baby and SS, but I'm not such a fan of Hysteria and TiRO live to be honest.

In five gigs I've seen:

New Born
Plug in Baby
Time is Running Out
Stockholm Syndrome
Hysteria
Starlight
Supermassive Black Hole
Map of the Problematique
and Knights of Cydonia
FIVE TIMES OUT OF FIVE

The only ones I really care about there are Knights as an opener or closer and Stockholm Syndrome. I used to fully love PiB but I think even that deserves a break now.


edit: I've seen 28 out of the 58 regular songs that appear on all 5 of muse's albums. After going to 5 gigs, let's say at 80 for a ticket each time including accommodation and stuff (and that's being very generous considering the travel to Dublin and Teignmouth) that's 400.

For 400 and to have seen less than half of their songs, I do feel a little ripped off.


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Report this post | 25 Apr 2010 00:47 GMT | #1932906 |   | Split
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In response to your post above this one, you understand that Japan got those rarities purely because they had only like 5 tour dates. One treat per show over there. It was a gift to their fans that hardly ever see them.


OOOOH Poor japanese fans :''(

No come on let's be serious. I don't care about quantity, i care about QUALITY. If I wanted I could see Muse three times between may and june (they're gonna do a secret gig in paris in late may and two stade de france in june, I'm just attempting one gig for my brother), but I don't want to because I know they'll play the same stuff over and over. Instead I'll fly to Norway to see Guns N' Roses perform, I'll have the best time of my life. Japan always get the best setlists (same story in 2007), but Muse aren't the only ones to do so, Guns N' Roses played 3 hours and 40 minutes in Tokyo in December (and 3 hours and 20 minutes in Osaka). Japan must give them a special vibe I guess or maybe the crowd is more respectful, I don't know.

I'd take just ONE japan gig over 5 shows in Paris. Proof is that I'm not attempting those 5 shows, they could play every day in Paris for free and yet I wouldn't go, because they always play the same stuff! Sometimes I just really ask myself if they are 1) LAZY, 2) DON'T GIVE A FUCK ABOUT EUROPE BECAUSE THEY ARE SO BIG THERE or 3) are trying their best to please their audience but just totally miss the fact we're bored.

I'm not the only one, maybe I'm one of the most extreme fan in the way I express myself but I can assure you that many people share my point of view over here in France, sure they still go to the show because they are big fans but man, everybody thinks the setlist is lame and would like more variety and surprises.


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Yeah I completely agree, if they really wanted a fan chosen setlist then they'd let us choose the whole thing, they've made fans think they're getting what they want but all we're really going to get is one maybe two songs per gig, big deal.

What really annoys me though is that they seem to have put very little thought into which songs they've allowed us to choose, I mean fair enough if there's certain songs that they're not prepared to play live I understand but why include songs such as TIRO and Starlight when we all know full well that they are going to play them anyway?

There's certain songs that new fans would expect to see live and would be dissapointed if they didn't play them like PIB and SS for example, but I'm not asking for them to drop their regular songs, they could easily give us four or five rarities and keep the old and new fans happy. It starting to seem very little about the music and more about trying to gain and appease new fans which I don't even understand why they feel the need to do.

Also last time I saw them at Wembley was incredible, my favourite gig ever and I was lucky enough to get a few surprises that I really didn't expect, like CE, Microcuts and Unitended, I know it's only three songs but it really made the gig special for me, but now with the fan chosen setlist there won't be any surprises because i'll already know they'll definitely play at least one of the five songs chosen and it won't be too hard to work out which one they'll choose, so now the surprise element of the gig is being taken away as well.

That risky setlist you've mentioned sounds amazing but I don't think we'll ever get anything like that. I started feeling like I had to go to a lot of gig's in one tour just in case they played a rare song and I missed it, which is really terrible that they've made the hardcore fans feel this way.

Anyway I just wished I lived in Japan, if they just played one of those songs it would be incredible and I agree I Belong To You would be stunning live, it's one of my favourite's off the album but I don't think Matt has the guts to sing in French live!

Sorry for the long post and if it didn't make much sense, i've just drank four JD's a cider and two vodka and cokes :P





I see we share the same views on this matter, and I don't know what more I can add to the conversation but my suggestion is to check other bands out. Sadly, Muse had it all once but they slowly are getting... unsincere. You know it seems to me it's not so much about the music now but more about the cash and being the most famous band out there and topping U2. Back in 1999/2001, they weren't so rich, they had things to prove to the world, they were in for the music, they had this sincerity, but now they are extremely rich and they have both a media support AND a large fanbase support so basically they are unstoppable, nothing in the world is telling them they're wrong. But to me they lost the rock attitude. When they come on stage, they put on a spotless show, no mistake but come on, there is, no human warmth, they are really cold.

The number of shows they are doing is not for the fun, it's for the money and popularity. There is one very relevant factor when a band is having fun and that is when they communicate with each other on stage and change the setlist and put all their heart in the songs: that's clearly not what's happening with Muse as of 2009/2010. In 2006 I was already feeling that, but this is worse than ever, really.


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Report this post | 25 Apr 2010 05:12 GMT | #1932978 |   | Split
^You realize you proved my point in your above post?


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Report this post | 25 Apr 2010 09:40 GMT | #1933060 |   | Split
I can see where you're coming from regarding warmth and them losing the rock and roll attitude, but I don't think Matt, in particular out of the 3, is aiming to be a rock star anymore. He is all about putting on a show and they put in a lot of effort into the production on the current tour to make a stunning visual display for everyone. I think they have tried to ensure that EVERYONE at the shows in these large venues get something out of the gig.

If you look at RAH, a much smaller venue than ones they're currently playing in, they went back to a stripped stage because they knew everyone would be able to see them. This meant they could perform whatever they wanted

For the current tour, to be fair to them, they haven't just gone for earning mega bucks, they are trying to allow for everyone to take something away from the gigs. I was at Wembley in 2007 and was far far away from the stage. Having the visuals certainly improved the gig for me. However, it meant that they were restricted in what they could play for other gigs using that stage setup. It's a fine balancing act and they've gone for the more polished spectacular production over the raw rock in order to try and to please the whole audience rather than just those close enough to the stage to see what they're up to.

Personally I really enjoyed the O2 gig this time around so of course people will say I'm biased, but they did look up for it to me and I think it's unfair to say they're all about the money now when I think the outlay on the set etc has been pretty massive.


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Report this post | 25 Apr 2010 10:49 GMT | #1933111 |   | Split
Do you really care for the stage? Sure a good stage is nice but it's really the LAST thing I'm looking forward to. I'm not impressed by stages, I'm impressed by the music. I attend gigs for the MUSIC. Nothing else. This should be their main concern.


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Report this post | 25 Apr 2010 11:26 GMT | #1933143 |   | Split
Of course the music is the key ingredient at a gig, but what I'm saying is that if you are miles from the stage what is the point of you being there without some kind of special stage setup? It's different at festivals etc where there is a party atmosphere and everyone is there to mess around etc, but these are shows at arenas where people are there to see the band, to hear the music and be entertained. Do you think it's fair for people to be sat miles from the stage in 40-50 seats and can just watch these tiny specs on a stage. They need something to make them feel part of the gig surely? Otherwise they might as well go home and listen to the CDs.

And as far as I'm aware, Muse are still playing music and VERY well so you can't complain that musically they aren't performing can you? Can you honestly say they are worse musically than they were in the early 2000s? What has changed is guitars aren't broken as much anymore etc. Muse have matured and are actually focusing more on the music and combining it with visuals many many people seem to be enjoying. I suspect it's a minority that believe Muse have lost it when it comes to live music because in my opinion they are trying their best to keep everyone involved.


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Report this post | 25 Apr 2010 12:20 GMT | #1933177 |   | Split
I don't know for your country because I've never attended a UK gig but over here in France, people choose to seat in the back or be at the front, it's a matter of what you really want. I think most people are here for the music, Muse made their reputation on their live music performance, then with the wembley stadiums, things got bigger and maybe now people expect visuals as well but that's not an important part of the show imo. Guns N' Roses and Oasis performed in front of 80000 peopleand more with a basic stage back in the day, people were here for the music, same shit in the 60's/70's.

Have you looked at a Guns N' Roses show from the 80's/early 90's? There was absolutely nothing on the stage. Look at the Use Your Illusion I & II dvd's. The stage is very simple it looks like it's their first show ever or that they're here to do some kind of sports. But that doesn't matter because they know how to entertain, they're very dynamic on stage, Axl does his rants, and it's all about the music.

All those visuals, screens, special effects, lasers, are unecessary imo, it's a thing to mask a lack of self-confidence in their own music. Not to mention the multiple effects they use on their songs and Morgan being a part of their line-up who ruins some songs (I remember how much I hated Sunburn when it was played live 3 years ago, it sounds... just like the albums, it has nothing to do with the rawness and sincerity that it had when they were playing it in 2001).

Musically, I think they're better than ever on a technical point of view. I always knew that Matt had some great guitar skills but it seems to me he's improving every year, composing new stuff every day and so on, and he impressed me with that Chopin bit on the last album and the little solo on Guiding light. But the problem is that when he comes on stage, he doesn't try everything he's done on the album. Matt wasn't able to play the Chopin bit on stage, he sped it up (which is a thing that happens when you don't master something or when you don't believe you can make it on stage), and then he fucked up and didn't try to play it again. I found it very disappointing. I wasn't disappointing in him failing live, but disappointing that he doesn't try again. He plays secure. In 2006, he couldn't handle Exo-politics very well when they performed it (they were already playing it one tone down and the vocals had nothing to do with the marvelous vocals on the album) on stage and then they dropped the song! In 2002, they fucked up Eternally Missed live and they dropped it forever and it finished its career as a b-side (though Matt said that he thought Eternally Missed was their best stuff for the third album). It seems to me that whenever Matt encounters a problem with a song, he drops it. They just don't like to take risks live.

So sure, what they play is perfect, but of course it's perfect, they always play the same stuff over and over and over with a lot of backing tracks and effects to soften things in case they fuck up (when they were almost playing naked in 2001). It's so perfect that it's boring, you know what to expect next, there's no innovation, no real heart in the playing. If you have seen them in 2001, you know what I'm talking about, they were all around the stage, they wanted to prove something, maybe they master the songs even better in 2010, but they look bored and lazy and their setlist is the reflection of this boredom and laziness. Rock is all about the attitude and Muse don't have it in 2010, I perfectly understand old fans who are disappointed with the band.

What I'm saying here has nothing to do with their talent: I think they're the most talented rock band from their generation and the last great rock band from the 2000's, I often wonder how Bellamy can sing and play guitar at the same time (it always amazes me to see him play arpeggios on four strings on Citizen Erased and sing at the same time, or play the unnatural selection riff -who is easy to play but try to sing along to it while playing it, it's insane-), the rock music now is shit and I completely agree with Liam Gallagher on this, it's depressing to see poor bands like Coldplay or Green Day get so much credit when the world has encountered bands like Black Sabbath, Iron Maiden, Aerosmith, AC/DC, Guns N' Roses or Queen, I think Muse are inhabited by the same talent as those legendary band and yet they aren't trying their best as of now and I'm just disappointed with that. In the studio they rock, they are taking major risks (the french bit in I belong to you, the balls to put Chopin after one of their tracks and mix it with a missile, the symphony, I mean this album is fucking mindblowing and trying new stuff) but live, not so much, they just don't take risk.


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Report this post | 25 Apr 2010 12:56 GMT | #1933209 |   | Split
I can't see how they'd not play all the Exogenesis parts. Especially during the stadium shows. I can understand why the fans want to see CE, it's a great song and although i've seen it and it's been played live a huge number of times, i'd love to see it again. Having said that, a song that has never been played before or a very rare song would be equally good. Having evidence of it as well, like a bootleg or even a pro recording would be even better.


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Report this post | 25 Apr 2010 15:36 GMT | #1933329 |   | Split
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Do you really care for the stage? Sure a good stage is nice but it's really the LAST thing I'm looking forward to. I'm not impressed by stages, I'm impressed by the music. I attend gigs for the MUSIC. Nothing else. This should be their main concern.



so if you turned yourself away from the stage and just listen to the music you would be fine.


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Report this post | 25 Apr 2010 15:59 GMT | #1933342 |   | Split
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Do you really care for the stage? Sure a good stage is nice but it's really the LAST thing I'm looking forward to. I'm not impressed by stages, I'm impressed by the music. I attend gigs for the MUSIC. Nothing else. This should be their main concern.



so if you turned yourself away from the stage and just listen to the music you would be fine.



I'm also hoping you don't wait in line for fucking ages and then get a golden circle band and then stand at the back on the barrier whilst i have to get crushed on the second barrier staring at your back when I could be at the front and you could be enjoying the music sat down at the back of the stadium.

Man I really don't appreciate those people. (I'm not actually saying this is you D..)


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Report this post | 25 Apr 2010 21:18 GMT | #1933583 |   | Split
Jeez, such tension. If your going to be such moany bastards, sell your tickets; I'm sure there's others out there that will appreciate them a whole lot more.


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Report this post | 27 Apr 2010 01:46 GMT | #1933648 |   | Split
I'd kill to go to Wembley. If I could snag some GA tickets for the 10th I'd be the happiest person alive. So everyone should stop their bitching and enjoy the show.


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Report this post | 29 Apr 2010 08:06 GMT | #1936416 |   | Split
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I'm started to dread this now, I don't think I can stand to watch another gig with the same boring setlist, I know it will be amazing because it's Wembley but it's the songs that matter to me and even with the choose the setlist, they may only play one song and I have no interest whatsoever in seeing Assassin, Bliss or Citizen Erased live. If they choose to play Fury or Showbiz then great but I can't help thinking i'll be really disappointed if they don't.



I understand you, believe me. Sadly the fans in general tend to vote for songs that have been played live a lot in the past. Sadly there are too many "new fans" and they vote for songs that old fans like us have already had several times.
I mean, Citizen Erased, Bliss, Hyper music, Showbiz, sure I like those songs, and I'd love CE and Showbiz to be permanents in the setlist instead of llame Starlight or TIRO, but Muse gives you ONE CHANCE to choose your three top songs and you don't vote for their rarest songs! The fans blew it IMO.

Like you Bliss balloons, I've seen Muse a lot in the past, and I was really BORED last year when I saw them, apart from the songs from the new albums (and they didn't even play my two fav: Exogenesis II and I belong to you), the setlist is old, it's been played too much live (they must be fucking bored to be playing the same shit over and over, 7 years of time is running out, this is painful especially when it's far from being an ultimate Muse songs) I really don't care if they bring back two or three songs I've seen live in 2001 or 2003. I would have like to have never played li ve songs like Falling away with you, Eternally Missed (ok they played it twice... twice in ike 1000-2000 shows since they came up with it? Fucking ridiculous), Exo-politics (almost never been played live, real shame), I belong to you... Know what I mean?

The problem with Muse is that they have a LOT of great songs, but very few legendary songs. Guns N' Roses for example MUST play Welcome to the jungle, Sweet child o' mine, November Rain (and I'm not gonna write the whole stuff because they have so many legendary songs...), fans wouldn't buy tickets if they didn't play those songs, BUT as for Muse, I'd say they have written just two legendary songs: Knights of Cydonia and Citizen Erased. And maybe Space Dementia. But that's it. Their songs are quite simple in the structure, and you can easily swap a song for another, but even if they don't have much legendary songs, they have some great songs like Exo-politics, Dead Star, Shrinking Universe, Showbiz, and so on, and this is what I'd expect from their setlist. Sadly they go for the same boring singles that aren't even that great of songs imo.

Meanwhile, Japan had fewer dates than us in Europe but they got Dead star, Citizen Erased and Can't take my eyes off of you in the same setlist. I'm sure Muse themselves know how much it pisses off the hardcore fans. It's sad they have this attitude, they used to be my favourite band.


So I'll just bring my brother to one gig, but I know I'll get fucking bored, I'm really not looking forward to these show, the only way I'd enjoy it if somehow, they'd grow some balls and play a risky setlists with b-sides, old songs and real songs like Dead Star/ Fury/ Eternally Missed / Shrinking Universe/ Map of your head / Do we need this/ Showbiz. But not gonna happen.



Not all of us have had the pleasure of seeing Muse live asmuch as you. I voted for Bliss im DYING to see that song live! I have been a big muse fan for many years now but only got to see them for the first time last year so i missed out on seeing some amazing songs played live. Is it wrong to want to see them?

Im not haing a go im just showing another point of view lets say

I can understand your frustration, but some of us havent been as lucky as the really old, die hard fans, who have seen them live many many times. (and i am an old fan i just didnt get to see them )


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Report this post | 29 Apr 2010 08:43 GMT | #1936432 |   | Split
The Muse fans did not blow it. It was a poll for every individual muse fan to vote for a song they want to see. What's wrong with that? If you voted for Spiral Static and other rares, then you did your part. I don't care about them and i've been a fan for a nice number of years.

It down to their preference, not yours.


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Report this post | 29 Apr 2010 11:13 GMT | #1936483 |   | Split
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- Not all of us have had the pleasure of seeing Muse live asmuch as you. I voted for Bliss im DYING to see that song live! I have been a big muse fan for many years now but only got to see them for the first time last year so i missed out on seeing some amazing songs played live. Is it wrong to want to see them?

Im not haing a go im just showing another point of view lets say

I can understand your frustration, but some of us havent been as lucky as the really old, die hard fans, who have seen them live many many times. (and i am an old fan i just didnt get to see them


Yeah I can understand that, it's just that a bit more variety would please everyone!


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Report this post | 29 Apr 2010 11:27 GMT | #1936492 |   | Split
How about we quit bitching?
We've established that you're unhappy about what the setlist for the show will probably be. Move on. You're all driving me nuts.
Now let's all just sit down and vote for JIMMY KANE (lol)

I'm curious to what the stage will look like too, and that being said, I do not mean that I do not care for the music. Their stage is half of their show.


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