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This was the first setlist (bar Oxegen, since I was there) I've seen in a while, and it is disappointing.
Even though this may sound like criticism, I love Muse, but recently they've been pissing me off. I'll just focus on the setlists as the rest is all for another thread.
Everyone knows and recognises Muse as one of, if not the best live band in the world but in my opinion all the awards and all the plaudits have gone to their head. They know they're at the top of their game and are happy there, they no longer have to work for people to mention them as "the best live band in the world" and frankly have become lazy.
Repeated setlists, no rehearsals may be okay now, since most fans only see them once a tour but what if this laziness continues into the next tour and progressively gets worse. I don't want to be seeing them in 2012 thinking this is fantastic but haven't I seen this "show" before.
Honestly they should stop being so content, because if they kept striving and working to be better, God knows what could happen.
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Oxegen 10/07/10
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Where were you standing ? I was next to the big screen on the left of the stage 
I was on the left too, at the side of the stage, not as far as the screen. But 5th row, woww, happy for you!
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That supports my idea that Muse should have headlined instead of Iron Maiden. They would have gotten a two hours slot to play and maybe would have played a decent setlist. Iron Maiden already headlined two years ago and apparently their gig was bad. From the reviews I got their sound was very poor (on the contrary to Muse who manage to make the main stage of the sziget sound good which is a really rare thing)
I think the sound wasn't good (still not as bad as Kasabian...), I could barely hear Matt's voice from my singing and the others' around me, plus I think the piano was a bit quiet too. Not that there was many songs that I needed to hear it. 
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What they weren't even headlining? Well I can kind of understand a bit then.
Now that nights closing in
And in the half light
We run
Lock us up safe
And hide the key
But the night tears us loose
And in the half light
Were free
Andy is awesome!! 
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That's not so bad then, but I still believe in my post earlier in regards to them in general.
Marley Park 13/08/08
O2 Dublin 6/11/09
Oxegen 10/07/10
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Muse weren't headlinig, eh?
That's interesting.
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I don't see where all this talk of Muse stopping being one of the best bands in the world is coming from based on the constant setlists alone. If we're going by the critics title of "Best Live Band", then why should setlists really matter? The Q, NME and similar awards don't judge bands based on entire tours, analysing every single setlist and punishing regularity, they go by the show they put on. As long as Muse still put on the fantastic show they (usually) do, then they will continue to be one of the best live bands. They'll have a lot of people on here saying otherwise quite fervently, but to the 95% of fans who will go to their gigs that don't regularly visit fansites, they'll continue to be amazing, as they'll only see them once or twice a tour. They don't follow setlists, so don't see the regularity that occurs, or just don't give a shit.
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They'll have a lot of people on here saying otherwise quite fervently, but to the 95% of fans who will go to their gigs that don't regularly visit fansites, they'll continue to be amazing, as they'll only see them once or twice a tour.
This is what I've been saying. I'd love them to throw in a surprise every gig but for the people who are there, 99% will love it. I don't see the problem with that.
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I don't see where all this talk of Muse stopping being one of the best bands in the world is coming from based on the constant setlists alone. If we're going by the critics title of "Best Live Band", then why should setlists really matter? The Q, NME and similar awards don't judge bands based on entire tours, analysing every single setlist and punishing regularity, they go by the show they put on. As long as Muse still put on the fantastic show they (usually) do, then they will continue to be one of the best live bands. They'll have a lot of people on here saying otherwise quite fervently, but to the 95% of fans who will go to their gigs that don't regularly visit fansites, they'll continue to be amazing, as they'll only see them once or twice a tour. They don't follow setlists, so don't see the regularity that occurs, or just don't give a shit.
I was going to say something like this before but then I didn't, but this sums up what I would have said.
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Glad I put it well, seemed messy to me 
I do agree with some of the moans though, having said all that. The people on this site are (usually) some of the biggest fans of the band, so when things aren't going your way it isn't nice. And I can see why some people are annoyed. Until Glastonbury happened, I couldn't really have cared less whether I saw them at Wembley - now I'm frantically searching for someone to go with. Muse are still a very good band, who put on a very good show, and they're clearly at the top of their game. Ideal solution for me - 2 songs at most each gig on a constant rotation of rarities. And by rarities, I mean songs that either haven't been played in a while, or were feared dropped. I'd just as rather see Take a Bow played (although that's pretty likely) as Muscle Museum. With two songs floating, that still leaves room for the solid 18-20 rigid songs. Everyone would be happy then I think. Except the hardcore moaners. You don't have to have a changing setlist to put on a good show though - Rammstein played the same setlist at almost every tour date from September-May, with a few exceptions in Germany, and that gig was infinitely better than Muse's.
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Well the Stadium shows so far have had a bit of variety.
Now that nights closing in
And in the half light
We run
Lock us up safe
And hide the key
But the night tears us loose
And in the half light
Were free
Andy is awesome!!
http://www.last.fm/user/mai_taylor
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All I have to say regarding setlists is PLAY SHOWBIZ!!!
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All I have to say regarding setlists is PLAY SHOWBIZ!!!
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All I have to say regarding setlists is PLAY SHOWBIZ!!!
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Now that nights closing in
And in the half light
We run
Lock us up safe
And hide the key
But the night tears us loose
And in the half light
Were free
Andy is awesome!!
http://www.last.fm/user/mai_taylor
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spiritmuse :If we're going by the critics title of "Best Live Band", then why should setlists really matter? The Q, NME and similar awards don't judge bands based on entire tours, analysing every single setlist and punishing regularity, they go by the show they put on.
Exactly. It's "Best Live Band", not "Band with the Best Setlists".
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I think the sound wasn't good (still not as bad as Kasabian...), I could barely hear Matt's voice from my singing and the others' around me, plus I think the piano was a bit quiet too. Not that there was many songs that I needed to hear it.
Yeah I know They brought the piano all the way over here just for one song...what a waste.
By the way Eszter did you notice that there was a big four seasons bus at the back of the main stage ? I don't think it was waiting for kasabian or billy talent  I wonder if Muse actually spent the night at the gresham palace...Lucky bastards 
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I see you're point, but from what's been relayed even the performances haven't been spectacular on this tour, i mean take away the lovely visuals and Glasto and it still seems abit mediocre. And yes you could play the obsessive fan bit again. But even so, it's bad for the people that went, even if they did love it, as it's still lazy and they could have got more. I can't think of a good analogy so it's like buying a suit and you love it, but are blissfully unaware the off the rail standard suit you got, from the same store, for the same price, could have been tailored and fitted by the store, they just saw you as easy money. Sorry about the analogy, i think it makes sense, i've worked, football, at pub, tired.
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^I agree, they seem to get a bit stale doing the same songs over and over, also we know what they are capable of. Just because a large percentage of fans enjoy the show( who has been doing surveys to find out these 90 odd percent figures???) doesn't mean they will go back to see them again knowing it's likely to be pretty much the same show.
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Reading 28/08/11,
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Let's just hope Muse actually learn from this tour.
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As long as they keep selling out gigs they'll be happy enough. I just hope they pull something special out of the bag for Wembley and Manchester, seeing as it's the UK and they have already played here this year. it would be interesting to know how many fans do see them more than once on each tour, there must be a fair few.
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Wembley 16/06/07,
London 12/11/09,
London 13/11/09,
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Reading 28/08/11,
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This is how good they used to be live.
And it's simple. They're just not that good anymore.
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I will say they have never been better than the OoS tour because I love the energy and chaos of those performances. I mean, Matt went around with his hair died red and completely spiked up. No one does that.
Your point is valid no matter what era one chooses, however. I believe that, as a band, they are capable of more.
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I will say they have never been better than the OoS tour because I love the energy and chaos of those performances. I mean, Matt went around with his hair died red and completely spiked up. No one does that.
Your point is valid no matter what era one chooses, however. I believe that, as a band, they are capable of more.
Personally, I don't really care about Matt's hairstyle and I certainly see no correlation between that and the quality of a Muse gig/tour...
For me, the Abso tour was Muse at their peak (I only saw them once on the OOS tour though, but a few times on the Showbiz tour).
I think all that most 'hardcore moaners' are asking is about 2 songs (rarities/old faves) on rotation (even if that means them dropping a few of the 'stale' songs) . I'm really tired of the "but they can't play those songs as the effects/light show don't permit it". I couldn't care less about silly smoke and light effects if that means the band can't be arsed to play a rarity or two. "Best band in the world" to me implies they could do just that, it's not as if we're asking them to -gasp- improvise or anything, they could have a few on rotation.
It is possible for Muse to please the 'moaners' but frankly I don't think the band are that interested. That's fine, I will only see them a few times this year, not like the multiple times I did before.
I guess it's 'take it or leave it'. That doesn't make anyone's ('yeasayers' and 'naysayers') observations/criticism less valid.
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I think all that most 'hardcore moaners' are asking is about 2 songs (rarities/old faves) on rotation (even if that means them dropping a few of the 'stale' songs) . I'm really tired of the "but they can't play those songs as the effects/light show don't permit it". I couldn't care less about silly smoke and light effects if that means the band can't be arsed to play a rarity or two.
I see where you're coming from, but I wouldn't be too surprised if the person that "could care less" about that kind of thing is Matt. He's a perfectionist (/control freak ), and I imagine he wants everything to be just so at the gig, right down to the light show and the set pieces. It might be their train of thought that if they play 17 songs with perfect visuals and lighting, and then play their rarities with none of that, that people will criticise them for it. In the end, whose' opinion is right in this case? To be honest, it's Matt/Muse, not the fans. The choreographed visuals and lights are there for a reason, they're not doing it to piss people off.
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