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^Cite your sources please
It is all politics in Wisconsin, there was a budget surplus then they passed tax cuts and it put it in a deficit. So the governor is going against all the public employee unions that opposed him during the election.
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Teachers in Wisconsin get paid $77,000 a year. They received a 4.7% raise last year. I'm not saying they don't deserve it, they're teachers. But striking is FUCKING GREEDY. The disparity in pay between the public and private sectors is ridiculous and it's why the states are going bankrupt.
Where did you get the statistics for $77,000?
Top 10 states for education pay
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I got the 77,000 dollar from political math's twitter feed. He provides links and I'm going to go see them now. Will post.
Here are downloadable spreadsheets detailing Wisconsin public teacher salaries from '98 to '10.
http://dpi.wi.gov/lbstat/newasr.html.
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I looked at the spreadsheets and the average runs around 40k-50K depending on what district you are in, there are a few outliers for highest paid that run 70k-80k. I just don't see where the 77k is coming from, maybe it includes their pension and healthcare. It is most likely a bunch of shit some anti-union conservative pulled from his ass.
As for my state, our Governor is stirring up a shit storm. First he unveils a budget that essentially cuts 6,700 government jobs in the state, cuts education by 4.6 billion, also wants to close the state's homelessness-assistance office and the observance of the Dec. 21 Homeless Person's Memorial Day, he is lowering corporate taxes his first year and essentially down to 0% in the future.
Florida was set to get $2.4 billion from the federal government to build a High Speed Rail, he told the federal government to shove it essentially by saying we're not building it. It would have covered nearly all the costs of the line and the overrun cost would be covered by private corporations so the state would not see any bill. This plan has been in the works for over a decade and he comes in and shuts it down, it didn't fly with the republican veto proof majority in the state senate. They are going to be going forward with it.
There is a proposed bill in the state senate that would allow the public to recall a public official if it passes. Rick scott was the CEO of Columbia/HCA, a company that was hit with the biggest fine ever by the federal government for defrauding medicare, the guy is a crook. My god I hope they pass it, I would be out getting signatures for that petition to recall him.
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Yes I think the $77,000 takes into account the entire compensation package, and frankly it's plenty. A teacher works 8-9 months a year, let's keep in mind. If they're striking for more, they should be ashamed. I'm sure there are state employees with legitimate complaints, but they aren't teachers.
And off-topic, this is yet another subject that deserves it's own thread. Whoever renamed this the generic "world politics" thread deserves a hearty smack. It fucked the forum.
:edit origin of bliss. Why man?! People can make threads for the subjects that interest them and post accordingly. You've made a cock-up of the only interesting forum on Muselive. Made it considerably less interesting in fact. Why not undo this nonsense? Or a moderator? Anyone? Surely I'm not the only one who sees how badly he's fucked this forum. Am I ?
The US promptly lost its shit and declared war on the very notion of terrorism, entering into an armed conflict against an abstract concept like only America can.
And after we beat Terrorism, were gonna beat Drugs! Then were going to take on Sadness!
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Charging kids to use playgrounds
Degrees of rape
Just what will our lovely ConDem party come up with next?
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Clarke seems like a twat, but he is right to an extent.
Date rape is definitely less serious than random child rape. And obviously statutory rape is barely worth even mentioning.
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Rape is rape.
Date rape can ruin someones life forever,for it to be downgraded is a very stupid idea.
Clark is obviously one of the "she was asking for it" brigade.
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To be fair, it was more of a slip of the tongue, a mistake he then rectified. Typical media/British public getting all worked up about not very much at all.
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Date rape is definitely less serious than random child rape.
Stay well clear, ladies.
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Rape is rape.
Date rape can ruin someones life forever,for it to be downgraded is a very stupid idea.
Clark is obviously one of the "she was asking for it" brigade.
QFT
We do run a good line of "blame the victim" in the UK whenever something like this comes up. Makes me feel a bit sick to be honest. I've personal experience with varieties of situations related to this and feel like that's a necessary preamble to this:
I think Clarke's comments have been taken out of context to an extent. If you look at the transcript he was describing statutory rape as being less serious than other kinds of rape which is true as far as it goes (given that 16 is an arbitrary age of consent and far from a universal standard in law), he just used the incorrect word to describe it. So it might have come out as "date rape isn't as serious as violent rape" but the meaning he meant to get across was clearly very different. When he says "date rape" he is quite clearly talking about "statutory rape", although the newspapers obviously decided to go with the incendiary headlines instead of going after the truth.
Probably worth pointing out that since Clarke used to be a lawyer, this is a pretty appalling mistake to make, and doesn't fill me with confidence. I hope he doesn't get sacked though, since he's the most liberal of the whole rotten barrel.
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More brilliant policies from the US military...
I could see them sending a CIA drone into a Russian ghetto over a DDOS attack, finding the suspect (or not), and taking out the whole neighbourhood with a Hellfire missile, violating all international laws, and getting away with it.
How old is the average military official? Do they even know what they're talking about?
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This is the same US Military that sets up fake Facebook profiles to spread pro-American nonsense
I swear, the Pentagon is about twenty years behind the rest of the world.
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I swear, the Pentagon is about twenty years behind the rest of the world.
STUXNET, anyone?
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^ That was a very good one, but it isn't sure that was made by the US.
The 'react to online war by starting offline war' idea is still mental. If the US can really make such a smart worm, an online war would be much more effective than a real life one.
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The 'react to online war by starting offline war' idea is still mental.
I think you severely underestimate how destructive an effective attack on our cyber-structure could be. Our entire banking system. Our entire electrical grid. Air-traffic control fer heavens' sake! All would be highly susceptible.
The US promptly lost its shit and declared war on the very notion of terrorism, entering into an armed conflict against an abstract concept like only America can.
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The only reason the US created this policy is because they are so bad at cyber warfare.
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How's that now? STUXNET appears to have been quite successful. And the first use of MALWARE in such a way anywhere, as far as anyone knows. What do you base your POV on exactly? Just talking shit or do you actually know something?
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Ralph Langner, the researcher who identified that Stuxnet infected PLCs, first speculated publicly in September 2010 that the malware was of Israeli origin, and that it targeted Iranian nuclear facilities.[56] However Langner more recently, in a Ted Talk recorded in February 2011, stated that, "My opinion is that the Mossad is involved but that the leading force is not Israel. The leading force behind Stuxnet is the cyber superpower - there is only one; and that's the United States."[
- From the Wikipedia article.
The US promptly lost its shit and declared war on the very notion of terrorism, entering into an armed conflict against an abstract concept like only America can.
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The 'react to online war by starting offline war' idea is still mental.
I think you severely underestimate how destructive an effective attack on our cyber-structure could be. Our entire banking system. Our entire electrical grid. Air-traffic control fer heavens' sake! All would be highly susceptible.
I know what cyber warfare can do, and I also know there are several problems with a real life reaction to it.
When is a cyber attack just an attack, and when is it warfare and bad enough to retaliate with an actual RL attack? Is simple penetration of a network and looking around at info an attack? If something is an attack, how do you trace the person who is responsible for it? You might be able to trace it to one or more computers, but who was sitting behind those computers? Was it state organised, or just one civilian? And how do you strike back, what is proportional in a real life response to a cyber attack?
I think the best thing we can do is to defend our cyberspace better. But there are already rumours that China for example has planted logic bombs in our systems, so that they can disrupt our whole society in case of war or something. The US has probably done the same thing, and Israel, and maybe some guy in a flat in Swindon. Anyone can do a cyber attack, there are online manuals and programs how to do a DDOS attack.
The safest thing would be to prohibit cyber warfare by international law, like chemical or biological warfare, it's simply too dangerous. Actually, now I think of it, cyber warfare directed at a society is already prohibited, because it's an indiscriminate weapon and it doesn't just affect the military. And civilians are protected from warfare. The only problem is there still is no definition of cyber warfare.
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More brilliant policies from the US military...
That is possibly the stupidest thing I have read in a long, long time.
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The 'react to online war by starting offline war' idea is still mental.
I think you severely underestimate how destructive an effective attack on our cyber-structure could be. Our entire banking system. Our entire electrical grid. Air-traffic control fer heavens' sake! All would be highly susceptible.
Huh
You got some nerve, coming here.
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