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I love BHaR why do so many hate it 
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I think people dislike BHAR because its much more minimalist than previous albums.
Its also lacking the hooks from their earlier work.
People on here say that muse write shit lyrics or something...i COMPLETELY disagree..i think Bellamy writes some of the most incredible and poignant lyrics....except of course for the majority of BHAR...those were not so great...there are some good phrases in there...but they just dont gel like earlier stuff....
It was just an overall disappointment for me personally. I'm okay with new stuff. Hell I'm into almost every kind of well written music that exists. But...for muse...BHAR I can absolutely respect, but I can't enjoy it on a visceral level...I can say it's okay...but
put it this way...
Absolution was Bellamy writing like Beethoven
BHAR was Bellamy writing like Stravinsky
both are respectable but one lacks soul...
Heres hoping for a return of the soul
Cheers!
-DR
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Interesting. Because I think the lyrics in BHAR were quite interesting. But I also love that album from start to finish. Namely because it allowed the band to experiment a lot more than they did on previous efforts. Don't get me wrong, Absolution is a startlingly good album, but BHAR offered something unlike muse that was still muse.
For instance, had muse ever written a song as intense and mechanically driving as Map of the Problematique? I don't think so. Even such carnal songs on Absolution, such as Stockholm Syndrome and Hysteria lacked the relentless energy that 'Map' brought to the table. But again, both are great albums. I'm just saying that there is a lot more to gather from BHAR than people are willing to give it credit.
In fairness though. I'm quite bias, because I love Freddy Mercury, and everything about his voice, and BHAR had a lot more queen influence. Not a bad thing IMO.
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Hello kid_idioteque
You make some good points. Everything you say is there is fair and true because its largely opinion based, much like my comments. I can totally understand WHY BHAR would appeal to some people it just doesn't reach me personally like the other albums do.
MOTP for me is relentless but in a way that is very electric and it almost doesn't give my ear room the breathe...?...if you know what I mean...its almost too much sounds without cease, that it's difficult to appreciate because you can never really get a good hold on its dimensions. Its like trying to appreciate a painting when you can only see a small portion of the canvas at one time...again..i can see how all these qualities may be gold to some people...that they want to be swept up and never let go feeling dizzy and confused at the end of the ride. Me I like to be swept up in the music but I like to be able to appreciate moment by moment and movement by movement...when their are no musical "breaks" its just difficult to get a hold of whats going on...
Hard to explain i suppose *chuckle*
All that said, again it's not a BAD album...but it is musically different...and I think the intention of the music was different....thats the key for me..I dont mind different music....but the intention of that album was divergent from what muse normally do...I think they needed it personally..to get some distance from the heavy Absolution themes....and its laid the groundwork for what could be this incredible album we are about to experience....
cheers sir and take care!
-DR
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Musically speaking, BH&R it's the worse album.
It's just to damn simple... I figured it out on piano/guitar in about 2 days (not that i'm super-talented, it's just easy/boring).
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I love BHaR why do so many hate it
I don't know! I love it too. 
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BHaR is their best album, start to finish. But OOS and Absolution contain a certain... something (Bliss, Space Dementia, Hysteria, B&H) that needs to be brought back.
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Musically speaking, BH&R it's the worse album.
It's just to damn simple... I figured it out on piano/guitar in about 2 days (not that i'm super-talented, it's just easy/boring).
I actually think it was quite genius. The album was less about complexity and more about subtle tones and cord structures. 'City of Delusion' was probably the only musically complex song on the album. Everything else was tight cord layering and stacking, it was more Philip Glass-ish. That is something Muse hasn't done before.
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Musero :
Musically speaking, BH&R it's the worse album.
It's just to damn simple... I figured it out on piano/guitar in about 2 days (not that i'm super-talented, it's just easy/boring).
I actually think it was quite genius. The album was less about complexity and more about subtle tones and cord structures. 'City of Delusion' was probably the only musically complex song on the album. Everything else was tight cord layering and stacking, it was more Philip Glass-ish. That is something Muse hasn't done before.
i have been a muser from 98(1st time i heard showbiz) and my favorite band since then(i have not looked back!)....i have watched them evolve and grow into an amazing force! i am pushin 30 and was listening to them when i was 19 and can't believe some of the things i read sometimes here. i think they just get better every album and maybe some of you teeenagers dont see it being you didnt grow up with them, but to me they do things that bands just dont do anymore! if you want a dance song they do it better if you want a rock song, uhh they do it better and if you want a live show they definitely do it better. they get in the studio and expirement like geniuses. black holes was a stellar record! every record they put out is always different from the previous one......their themes are always passionate and with complete impact to the listener! i think they hit subjects of great meaning and things we need to realize in the world and especially in our world today!
i just love how they get influenced by something and go for it! we were hanging out in some new york clubs we like the dance vibe there blah blah and then we get motp and supermassive which beat any dance songs anywhere close to these days in my opinion! motp should have been a single in 87! there are so many ghostly things going on in the world of black holes its not even funny!
and lets not forget the band coming up with things that connect with fans personally, like tresure hunts n such.
i want this band to create 20+ albums i am sure we all do and i want everyone of them to break rules and be ever evolving!!! all hail the resistance and the epic masterpiece it shall be!!
i am waiting for it!!!! 65 days to go!!!!
i ranted, sorry
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Musically speaking, BH&R it's the worse album.
It's just to damn simple... I figured it out on piano/guitar in about 2 days (not that i'm super-talented, it's just easy/boring).
So just because you found it easy to learn the songs from it in 2 days its their worst album ??? It doesnt matter if the songs are easy to play or not, its wether the songs are good and on BH&R the songs are great, IMO BH&R is possibly their best album to date
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BHaR is their best album, start to finish. But OOS and Absolution contain a certain... something (Bliss, Space Dementia, Hysteria, B&H) that needs to be brought back.
If you do track vs track for each track number e.g. Sunburn vs. NB vs. AP vs. TaB etc. etc., you will probably find that BHAR probably isn't the best from start to finish, but that could just be my opinion, I got like Abso 6 OoS 5 BHAR 1 or something.
EDIT: Abso: 5, Origin: 4, BHAR: 2, Showbiz: 1.
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Musero :
Musically speaking, BH&R it's the worse album.
It's just to damn simple... I figured it out on piano/guitar in about 2 days (not that i'm super-talented, it's just easy/boring).
So just because you found it easy to learn the songs from it in 2 days its their worst album ??? It doesnt matter if the songs are easy to play or not, its wether the songs are good and on BH&R the songs are great, IMO BH&R is possibly their best album to date
i think that too... if you put that the most difficult the better then dragonforce is so epic and they kickass live 
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Musero :
Musically speaking, BH&R it's the worse album.
It's just to damn simple... I figured it out on piano/guitar in about 2 days (not that i'm super-talented, it's just easy/boring).
So just because you found it easy to learn the songs from it in 2 days its their worst album ??? It doesnt matter if the songs are easy to play or not, its wether the songs are good and on BH&R the songs are great, IMO BH&R is possibly their best album to date
i think that too... if you put that the most difficult the better then dragonforce is so epic and they kickass live
Yeah, but guitarwise, I find the hardest songs to play to be things like SS, TOADA, FAWY chorus (good luck), basically it's mostly Abso, they are generally the hardest songs to play as well as the most complicated musically and I think that they are pretty much the best. Although I do think Hoodoo, Assassin, TaB, MotP, KoC are very good songs.
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Interesting. Because I think the lyrics in BHAR were quite interesting. But I also love that album from start to finish. Namely because it allowed the band to experiment a lot more than they did on previous efforts. Don't get me wrong, Absolution is a startlingly good album, but BHAR offered something unlike muse that was still muse.
For instance, had muse ever written a song as intense and mechanically driving as Map of the Problematique? I don't think so. Even such carnal songs on Absolution, such as Stockholm Syndrome and Hysteria lacked the relentless energy that 'Map' brought to the table. But again, both are great albums. I'm just saying that there is a lot more to gather from BHAR than people are willing to give it credit.
In fairness though. I'm quite bias, because I love Freddy Mercury, and everything about his voice, and BHAR had a lot more queen influence. Not a bad thing IMO.
i couldnt quote the post above so i am doin it here
lyrics? matt writes amazing lyrics each time evolving per album.... bh and rev ........was so political and amazing!
absolution was amazing for what it needed to be at the time.....same for the previous abums, but black holes for the fact that 9/11 n such happened, was perfect just listen to take a bow soldiers poem motp ect....it totally worked for what they were feeling in the world at the time.....and was much more creative than that of rage against the machine ect......i like the split between political dance n love on up to conspiracy n rock down toward wordly passion ending with knights which to me is their most epic song to date aside from CE. i just wish america could see what an amazing band that europe has brought us!
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Musero :
Musically speaking, BH&R it's the worse album.
It's just to damn simple... I figured it out on piano/guitar in about 2 days (not that i'm super-talented, it's just easy/boring).
So just because you found it easy to learn the songs from it in 2 days its their worst album ??? It doesnt matter if the songs are easy to play or not, its wether the songs are good and on BH&R the songs are great, IMO BH&R is possibly their best album to date
i think that too... if you put that the most difficult the better then dragonforce is so epic and they kickass live
Yeah, but guitarwise, I find the hardest songs to play to be things like SS, TOADA, FAWY chorus (good luck), basically it's mostly Abso, they are generally the hardest songs to play as well as the most complicated musically and I think that they are pretty much the best. Although I do think Hoodoo, Assassin, TaB, MotP, KoC are very good songs.
Ah, i see what you mean, PiB & TiRO are my fav muse songs atm and they arent really hard to play on guitar but thats just my opinion haha.
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Musero :
Musically speaking, BH&R it's the worse album.
It's just to damn simple... I figured it out on piano/guitar in about 2 days (not that i'm super-talented, it's just easy/boring).
So just because you found it easy to learn the songs from it in 2 days its their worst album ??? It doesnt matter if the songs are easy to play or not, its wether the songs are good and on BH&R the songs are great, IMO BH&R is possibly their best album to date
i think that too... if you put that the most difficult the better then dragonforce is so epic and they kickass live
Yeah, but guitarwise, I find the hardest songs to play to be things like SS, TOADA, FAWY chorus (good luck), basically it's mostly Abso, they are generally the hardest songs to play as well as the most complicated musically and I think that they are pretty much the best. Although I do think Hoodoo, Assassin, TaB, MotP, KoC are very good songs.
Ah, i see what you mean, PiB & TiRO are my fav muse songs atm and they arent really hard to play on guitar but thats just my opinion haha.
You're right about TIRO being easy, but it is still very very well constructed musically and the chord changes, especially in the chorus, use some very musically advanced chords if you know what I mean. And PiB is bloody easy, but imagine trying to write that riff, scale sequencing is quite advanced compared to simple chord changes, e.g. CoD, but songs like KoC are pretty technical yes.
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