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Report this post | 23 Apr 2011 20:20 GMT | #2182648 |   | Split
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Report this post | 23 Apr 2011 20:31 GMT | #2182653 |   | Split
It's been a sad week for football, really. It's personally been disappointing seeing Arsenal blow away their last, tiny chance of winning the title... but I think what's worse is the fact that money has really taken over. Man City finally beat United. Real finally beat Barcelona. And Chelsea's £50m abomination has finally scored. Depressing.

I suppose you could argue that it was pretty bad anyway, what with players being paid such a ridiculous amount in the first place. But this is a whole step up. Using ridiculous quantities of money like Man City and Real Madrid seems to have finally paid off.


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Report this post | 23 Apr 2011 20:37 GMT | #2182659 |   | Split
Ooh, good victory today, can't wait for MotD.


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Report this post | 23 Apr 2011 20:50 GMT | #2182668 |   | Split
How much of a gem is Hernandez?

Ohh and leave it out Jamie. If you get me started on football as a whole....i'll be here all night.


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Report this post | 23 Apr 2011 21:02 GMT | #2182670 |   | Split
It'd be pretty good if money was left out of football, but that way Man Utd wouldn't have bought C.Ronaldo in the first place, or Arsenal wouldn't have bought Henry a few years back, or, yes, Barcelona wouldn't have bought David Villa. They do it because they can, let's move on.


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Report this post | 23 Apr 2011 21:04 GMT | #2182672 |   | Split
I think Barca are a lot less guilty than most. They get the majority of their money from fan input, because their fans are the owners. Also, a lot of their team is home-grown.


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Report this post | 23 Apr 2011 21:34 GMT | #2182680 |   | Split
Well, I was more moaning about the fact that certain clubs pretty much make their teams using ridiculous amounts of money, simply because they can. Buying a few players for reasonable prices is fine. Buying a squad's worth of players is not. Man United buying Ronaldo was perfectly acceptable, because he was pretty young, and Fergie developed him into a quality player. Real Madrid and Man City paying hundreds of millions in order to build pretty much an entire team, though, isn't acceptable. That's what I was trying to get at.

As I've said countless times in this thread, teams like Barcelona and Man United (especially the former, as most of their team have been at the club since they were wee children) can get away with it, because they're reasonable with their buys. Even this season, United bought Hernandez, and look what he's achieved! How much did he cost.. £8m? Then look at transfers like Torres to Chelsea. I suppose you could argue that Barca paid very high prices for Villa and Ibrahimovic (well, a high price regarding the latter... the former was worth £34m, let's be honest), but that can be passed off as squad enhancement. They have a firm basis for a squad in their club-grown players.

Less money in football generally would be good, but I think the outrageous behaviour by certain clubs (which has gone over a line most clubs have settled with) is really worth complaining about. Real Madrid pretty much bought themselves a trophy. We may as well say the same for Man City, as I can't see Stoke beating them in the FA Cup Final. Sickens me.


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Report this post | 23 Apr 2011 21:35 GMT | #2182682 |   | Split
People keep pushing it though, you could argue that some clubs pay too much for people in the same way that you could argue that United spent too much on Veron or Ferdinand, and Liverpool spent too much on Carroll. Okay, Man City have done it a number of times in a short period of time, but they'll calm down once their team has settled and it may turn out profitable. It has made the league more interesting this year having another top side in the mix.


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Report this post | 23 Apr 2011 21:42 GMT | #2182683 |   | Split
United's buys didn't come from a huge burst of money though. As I said in my last post, Real and City essentially made their teams over the space of a year or two using their abundance of money. There was no squad development at all. Man City became ridiculously rich through their new ownership, and suddenly decided that they should throw shloads of money at making a new squad. It's like what Chelsea did when Abramovic took over. They essentially bought themselves the Premier League. Alright, United might have paid a lot for Ferdinand, but that was just a bit of building on what was already a well established squad. Carroll's price tag irritated me as well, but that was a lone signing.

Having so much money to buy so many overpriced players all at once just makes it too easy for clubs to win trophies now. Within a couple of years, QPR will probably be the same. Apparently they've got hundreds of millions to spend now.


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Report this post | 23 Apr 2011 22:00 GMT | #2182690 |   | Split
I think it's good for the game, it makes it a lot more interesting, otherwise it would just be Arsenal winning the league every single fucking season.


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Report this post | 23 Apr 2011 22:16 GMT | #2182699 |   | Split
Let Barcelona stay 3 or 4 seasons without winning anything and you'll see 3 or 4 Villas coming in a single season. You're just too naive. Putting boundries on what's acceptable here and there doesn't make sense - money rules football, simple as that. Also, Real Madrid is also buying it using their own money (I think).


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Report this post | 23 Apr 2011 22:19 GMT | #2182703 |   | Split
Real Madrid are a shower of bastards though.
Even Xabi Alonso, the nicest man in the game, has turned into a prick since moving there.


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Report this post | 23 Apr 2011 22:26 GMT | #2182705 |   | Split
Although they've still bothered to bring most of their squad through the youth ranks. And they still will do. (EDIT: that's with regards to Barcelona). Of course they'll buy players to try and bring them back up to a trophy-winning standard, but I guess that's the state of football in leagues where there are only really two competitors. I suppose you have a point in that sense, but Real Madrid are still far more worse.

And Matt, I'm sure if clubs didn't rely on the fall-back of having loads of money to spend on players, they'd put more effort into developing younger ones.


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Report this post | 23 Apr 2011 23:27 GMT | #2182720 |   | Split
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Report this post | 24 Apr 2011 00:00 GMT | #2182725 |   | Split
Last Old Firm game of the season in about 12 hours. I'm shitting bricks, I hate Old Firm matches.

Still, if Celtic win... that'll be us well on the way to the title. It's going to be a cracking game either way.


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Report this post | 24 Apr 2011 03:08 GMT | #2182742 |   | Split
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I think Barca are a lot less guilty than most. They get the majority of their money from fan input, because their fans are the owners. Also, a lot of their team is home-grown.



Then you're an idiot.
Real Madrid fans are the owners just as in Barcelona.
And if you keep on playing the ignorant prick, in the last 4 seasons:

Zlatan - 65M (played one season)
Villa - 40M
Henry - 25M
Alves - 35M
Mascherano - 25M (bench player)
Martín Cáceres - 17M (played 13 games)
Hleb - 17M (played 19 games)
Milito - 20M (average of 10 games per season)
Chygrynskiy - 25M (12 games)
Keirrison - 14M (0 games)
Henrique - 10 M (0 games)

Yeah, less guilty.

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Using ridiculous quantities of money like Man City and Real Madrid seems to have finally paid off.



David Villa alone was more expansive than Carvalho, Ozil, Khedira and Canales together, all the players Real bought this season except Di Maria.


I'm not saying Real are any better, but if you truly believe that Barcelona are different from Real, Milan, Bayern or Chelsea or United and even City, then you're a fool.
They're all great clubs that use their money, as much as they can afford themselves, to get better and win titles.

As for it being a "sad day" that Real won Barca, since when is the day that the team that played better and more fair* won is a sad day?


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Report this post | 24 Apr 2011 13:06 GMT | #2182755 |   | Split
Well, I didn't bring up fair play at all. I didn't make a single point about Barcelona being fairer than Madrid in playing style. In all honesty, Madrid were the better team, even if they have become insanely boring to watch under Mourinho. I was just saying that spending ridiculous amounts on players finally seems to have paid off.

And as I said, Duarte had a good point with his last post. Barca have spent quite a bit, that's true, but they've built most of their squad through their youth (Valdes, Pique, Puyol, Iniesta, Xavi, Messi - all world class and first team players - plus Busquets, Pedro and Bojan). Perhaps they do take it too far with their transfers on occasion, but again, that's what you get when you're in a league like La Liga. If you look at Real Madrid by comparison, they're far worse, because as I said (I hate having to repeat all this!) they pretty much made their squad using money. Who was in their youth team? As far as I know, the only first-team regular who has been at the club all his life is Casillas.

Barcelona buy a couple of players a year for a bit of squad enhancement. And to be fair, Villa's price tag (which was £34m, not 40) was certainly justified. He's far and away the best striker in the world at the moment. For the same reason, I can understand why Man United occasionally splash out. They buy decent young players and develop them into world-class ones, so I don't see any harm in the occasional big buy. I just think there's something wrong when all of your transfers are big buys.


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Report this post | 24 Apr 2011 10:54 GMT | #2182777 |   | Split
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Then you're an idiot.
Real Madrid fans are the owners just as in Barcelona.
And if you keep on playing the ignorant prick, in the last 4 seasons:



I love how butthurt you get whenever anyone says anything against Real Madrid.

How did you even end up a Real Madrid 'fan'?


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Report this post | 24 Apr 2011 13:04 GMT | #2182789 |   | Split
I just don't like Real Madrid because I do like Barcelona, and I like Barca because I can associate with them, they have fantastic fans, so being a Liverpool fan I kind of side with them, like with Celtic and a few Eastern European sides.


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Report this post | 24 Apr 2011 13:29 GMT | #2182791 |   | Split
0-0, title is in Celtic's hands... that'll do. Raging Samaras missed the penalty, he's a fucking diddy, but 0-0 suits us fine


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Report this post | 24 Apr 2011 14:35 GMT | #2182816 |   | Split
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0-0, title is in Celtic's hands... that'll do. Raging Samaras missed the penalty, he's a fucking diddy, but 0-0 suits us fine



Probably justice for the penalty tho was init?

Cracking atmosphere, for the entire 90 minutes aswell.


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Report this post | 24 Apr 2011 14:46 GMT | #2182818 |   | Split
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0-0, title is in Celtic's hands... that'll do. Raging Samaras missed the penalty, he's a fucking diddy, but 0-0 suits us fine



Probably justice for the penalty tho was init?

Cracking atmosphere, for the entire 90 minutes aswell.



Yeah, I suppose... it shouldn't have been given but it doesn't mean we shouldn't take advantage. If we'd won today we could have afforded two draws in our last five games and we'd still be level with Rangers.

I said I'd take a draw before the game and we got it. It just feels like an opportunity missed though.

And yes, that's the best atmosphere I've witnessed inside Ibrox in a long time.


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Report this post | 24 Apr 2011 16:51 GMT | #2182862 |   | Split
Same shit, different season.

Excuses are not enough, Wenger.

Let's all laugh at Arsenal, because we are fucking shite.


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Report this post | 24 Apr 2011 17:08 GMT | #2182867 |   | Split
Fuck sake Arsenal.


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Report this post | 24 Apr 2011 18:27 GMT | #2182904 |   | Split
But you're going to play in Europe! Most clubs would be happy with even the chance of that!




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