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and about God. no, i was talking about what are God's characteristics. does he love the sinner? does he give you assurance? does he give you comfort? has he revealed himself? is he a merciful God? does he have emotions? why did he create us? how do you get to God or does God come to you? why would you believe in this God?
so go on, if theyre all the same; tell us the characteristics of the muslim god, the modern jewish god (which differs from the Old Testament one), and the Christian God.
why don't you just make up your own answers to those questions? have a look around you, at just your one little religion. millions of christians have tried to answer those questions, and it has resulted in thousands of little sects where they can all tell themselves and their little group that they alone know the answers.
there is no answer. there is no appeal to knowledge. there is an appeal to the vaguarities of the bible, of which there are more than a few versions.
and yet, despite all that, we have nat smythe on muselive who feels entitled to be talking about "God's characteristics." do you really, honestly, think that you know the answer to even one of those questions?
and if yes, let us all behold the arrogance of christian zealotry. and let us all bask in the inspiring rays of bullshit emanating from your putrescent mind.
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its in the Bible, the original Bible (any other is not a Bible). im not saying i myself have the answers, but ive been given them. they are ALL in the Bible. so before you sound rude; think for a second. did you think i came up with all of this in my head? because it sounds like you did; you must be rather slow. it is all in the Bible. all the answers. all of Gods characteristics. the sects of Christianity, are only divided between those who want to follow the Bible and the Holy Spirit, and those who dont.
and please no one deserves to be talked to, like you just talked to me. grow up and know what you are talking about. and please dont resort to profane language just because you cant think of anything else to say; maybe you're not as intelligent as i gave you credit for.
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and please no one deserves to be talked to, like you just talked to me.
You to Zed a couple days ago:
"if so, go on, have a good time, because tomorow you die. if you are not, im sure you live a very unhappy existence. im sorry for sounding frustrated, but it annoys me when i see extremely intelligent people leading meaningless lives."
That was a pretty rude thing to say. Do you expect someone to like you or respect you after telling them their life is meaningless? I think he let you off easy by only calling you arrogant.
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Woo! Go Britney!  I personally agree. I never liked Nat Smythe, and I think he's extremely arrogant and he almost never respects other peoples opinions, and he certainly never says that what he is saying is OPINION and not FACT.
And fuck, he was pretty rude to Zed too.
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its in the Bible, the original Bible (any other is not a Bible). im not saying i myself have the answers, but ive been given them. they are ALL in the Bible. so before you sound rude; think for a second. did you think i came up with all of this in my head? because it sounds like you did; you must be rather slow. it is all in the Bible. all the answers. all of Gods characteristics. the sects of Christianity, are only divided between those who want to follow the Bible and the Holy Spirit, and those who dont.
and please no one deserves to be talked to, like you just talked to me. grow up and know what you are talking about. and please dont resort to profane language just because you cant think of anything else to say; maybe you're not as intelligent as i gave you credit for.
if all the answers are in the bible, why cant you or your fellow minions agree as to what precisely they are? two thousand years of sectarian violence prove me right and you wrong. reality contradicts your assertion that its all there to be read.
your distinction between people who follow the bible and those who dont is nonsense. precisely because the people who *you* believe are errant believe exactly that about you, and use exactly the same book to prove how wrong *you* are.
dont give me any credit for intelligence or otherwise. you dont know me. try to actually answer my criticisms for once, instead of ignoring them. simply ASSERTING that i dont know what im talking about doesnt make it so. if im so wrong, then prove me wrong.
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that is a direct quote said by paul, just in modern language. if thats offensive, then Christianity is to you.
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I'm as atheist as they come. I did dabble in Satanism when I was younger, and I have more respect for its codes than any Judeo-Christian religion.
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What are some codes of Satanism?
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First of all, I'd like to thank Briteny for defending me earlier. Thanks!! 
Secondly, to nat smythe:
Please don't twist my words.
And to reitterate my point about the 3 major religions of today (I exclude Bhuddism as it is more a philosophy than religion), as we all know, Christianity began as a sect of Judaism, (old news) hence, it is the same god: Jahovah, Yeyway, there are several names in several languages.
The major difference in these religions is, yes, belief in Jesus.
Christianity believes Jesus is the messiah etc etc, while Judaism does not.
Forgive for saying so, but this is not a big deal, the basic principles in which all Christians SHOULD live their life to are the same as the basic principles of Judaism: The ten commandments.
All other "beliefs" or "codes" of these religions are rendered utterly pointless and useless and they did not come from God himself, who, I would believe is the ONLY reliable source of how to live.
Next of all, who appeared to Mary? The angel Gabriel I believe? no? I think it was.
Who appeared to Mohammad? yes, Gabriel, no forgive me, but I do not think it is unlikely that it is a diffferent Gabriel, considering Mohammad was a Jew.
"Allah" is yet another name that god has revealed himself as, creating the other Jewish "spin-off" Islam!
Wey! Lovely lecture we're having today.
Also, probably another obvious point you've ignored, the Islamic faith also has a powerful belief in Jesus, much like Judaism, seeing him as a very important prophet, they also believe the story of Mary, and if I'm not correct, consider her very highly in their faith.
Now, the similarities you were asking about:
1. The three Britney so kindly pointed out, thanks again.
2. They all spawned from an ancient religion, Judaism. Hence belief in the SAME god.
3. All regard Jesus highly in their faith, Christians putting more of an emphasis on him.
Trivial matters are such things as:
1. The role and importance of women.
2. What one can and cannot eat.
3. Tolerance levels of what is "good" and what is "evil".
4. Differences in how they worship god.
Thirdly, or fourthly or whatever I'm on, nat smythe, I would appreciate hugely that you do not claim that others are wrong that what they say in unfounded.
Also, stop demeaning others and putting them down, attempting to force your beliefs upon others.
And don't insult other people's intelligence until you learn simple writing skills such as punctuation.
Finally, I believe that there is no right or wrong path. I'm not sure if I believe in a god as of yet, but I do believe that all religions still possess small sections of truth.
Oh and nat, as a final thought from me, please start following your so-called fantastic religion and start treating others with respect and dignity. You have no right to judge others and I'm sure your God would like it if you stopped, he doesn't want to be put out of the job.
/rant over/
edit: There were some spelling mistakes here that I did not notice last night, as I was too tired to proof-read it, sorry if any confusion was caused, I think I've fixed them all.
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Now, the similarities you were asking about:
Trivial matters are such things as:
1. The role and importance of women.
2. What one can and cannot eat.
3. Tolerance levels of what is "good" and what is "evil".
4. Differences in how they worship god.
So....that's trivial? You could honestly turn around to some Muslim/Christian/Jew and say "You know all those rituals you do, and the way your society runs, and the way you've been eating for your entire life, yes? Well, they're all just trivial matters of your religion. You really needn't have bothered."
Also, although I agree Nat Smythe has perhaps been a bit out of order with regards to his manner towards the other people in this discussion, your response to that was hardly a controlled and well thought out one. I think everyone in this thread needs to be a bit more open minded and accepting of other peoples views, and if someone says something that you find in some way offensive, don't respond by saying something equally offensive back. It will get us no where, and at the same time reflect badly on you. At the moment, this thread is an interesting debate about religion, let's not let it descend into petty squabbles.
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i wonder if aliens have religions.
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They don't exist (in my opinion).
Also to the comment that Islam, Judaism and Christianity are all pathways to the same God, Jesus says in the Bible that He is the ONLY way to God and that no one may get to the Father but through Him.
This is a pretty major difference and seeing as though I am a Bible believing Christian I believe this to be true.
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My Muslim friend says she believes in the same God as the Jewish God and the Christian God.
Who better than her to tell me what she believes?
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They don't exist (in my opinion).
Also to the comment that Islam, Judaism and Christianity are all pathways to the same God, Jesus says in the Bible that He is the ONLY way to God and that no one may get to the Father but through Him.
This is a pretty major difference and seeing as though I am a Bible believing Christian I believe this to be true.
How did anyone get into heaven before christ was born then?
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To Holly: As far as I know, people DIDNT go to heaven before then, or at least that's what Christians believe, but I could be wrong.
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So....that's trivial? You could honestly turn around to some Muslim/Christian/Jew and say "You know all those rituals you do, and the way your society runs, and the way you've been eating for your entire life, yes? Well, they're all just trivial matters of your religion. You really needn't have bothered."
How someone lives their life is not enough of a reason to consider it a major difference. I'm sorry if I've offended you in some way, but if the same God has been giving different instructions, it's rather hard to follow all of them. It's the same god for all three religions and yes, I do believe that these matters are trivial in the broader spectrum of BELIEF, which is what it all boils down to in the end.
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Also, although I agree Nat Smythe has perhaps been a bit out of order with regards to his manner towards the other people in this discussion, your response to that was hardly a controlled and well thought out one. I think everyone in this thread needs to be a bit more open minded and accepting of other peoples views, and if someone says something that you find in some way offensive, don't respond by saying something equally offensive back. It will get us no where, and at the same time reflect badly on you. At the moment, this thread is an interesting debate about religion, let's not let it descend into petty squabbles.
I don't know what you're talking about to be honest, I did not "squabble" with Nat Smythe, I merely pointed out that he was being afairly objective.
and if you're refering to this: name
Oh and nat, as a final thought from me, please start following you so-called fantastic religion and start treating others with respect and dignity. You have no right to judge others and I'm sure your God would like it if you stopped, he doesn't want to be put out of the job.
I was merely pointing out that Nat Smythe was being rather contradictory of the basic rules of his religion, ultimately making his point that Christianity is the only, somewhat pointless.
what a bad 700th post.
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I didn't say you squabbled with him, I just said we should make sure we don't squabble, that's all.
Also, I wasn't offended. It would be rather hard to offend me on this thread as I am currently hovering around in some big grey area somewhere as regards to religion. I was just worried some people might be a little put out, and thought it was necessary to say what I said. On second thoughts though, it wasn't necessary at all. I shall keep my trap shut in future.
Kindest Regards to you all.
PS: I think you may be right about no one going to heaven before Jesus...at least, that's how I understood it. Some people made some loop holes here and there saying "Oh, he probably got on his amazing faith that Jesus was going to come and do all the forgivness doo dah." Not sure how much truth there was in that though.
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No need to keep your trap shut, I do get a little excited and tend to rable on a little sometimes.....
Yeah, that's what I thought about the whole heaven thing, that's what I was though anyway. Besides, most if not all of the rules the Catholic church is based on are more likely false, as alot were changed to suit those in power at the time of it's formation.
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I don't really think beliefs are ever trivial. I'd encourage people to believe whatever makes them happy and makes the world a better place. Just don't try to interfere with my life or the lives of others. That's just unnecessary.
My Muslim friend thinks it is morally wrong to eat pork and gelatin (jello, marshmallows, gummy candy), and that's something I can respect. I realize it isn't trivial to her, and it's not something she follows for the hell of it. She truly believes these are things she must do to be a good Muslim. She probably has more willpower than I will ever have. Fasting for Ramadan? I would never make it.
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beliefs seem to be divided into two categories:
first, there are beliefs which lead directly to salvation. being a good muslim, accepting jesus into your life and admitting you sin, all the key tenets of every world religion. these are the fundamental creeds of everything, and without them the religion would not be that religion.
secondly, there are beliefs for the sake of beliefs. no system of indoctrination will succeed as long as it is not total. it must envelop every single aspect of an adherent's life, or it is weakened, and eventually will collapse. removing the total dominance of the church over the lives of europeans during the renaissance and enlightenment is what allowed those eras to flourish and advance, and this advance encroached on the total power of christianity and eventually led to the modern secular europe.
these small beliefs, due to their key nature in maintaining the total religion, often become far more important to adherents' daily lives than their key beliefs. by definition they are overwhelming and all-encompassing, and become the means by which people define themselves. hence the enormous fights raised in england recently over the muslim headscarf, or the almost fanatical application of halal or kosher rules.
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Heh. That's a very very good point.
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They don't exist (in my opinion).
Also to the comment that Islam, Judaism and Christianity are all pathways to the same God, Jesus says in the Bible that He is the ONLY way to God and that no one may get to the Father but through Him.
This is a pretty major difference and seeing as though I am a Bible believing Christian I believe this to be true.
How did anyone get into heaven before christ was born then?
God's unbounding Grace.
im sorry to everyone if i seemed intolerant. but being tolerant is feeling free to completely disagree with someone elses view. in that case i did, but i might have overstated my point. i repeat again to name, that Christians are not bound by Jewish law (including the ten commandments). read Romans, Galatians or any book in the new testament. or read what Jesus said about the new covenant.
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How are the Christians not bound by the ten commandments, to be honest, they're simple moral standards that all people, Christian, Jewish, or atheist, should live their life by.
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As an atheist, I don't follow:
You shall have no other gods before Me.
You shall not take the Lord's name in vain.
Remember the Sabbath day and keep it holy.
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How are the Christians not bound by the ten commandments, to be honest, they're simple moral standards that all people, Christian, Jewish, or atheist, should live their life by.
Yes, but no one is "bound" by them as such. I don't believe that God will punish murderers, I just think that murder is wrong.
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they were not "intended" originally as moral standards, they were rules for God's people to become acceptable before him (even though only one person ever successfully kept them). since no one could fulfill them, Jesus came as God promised and fulfilled and replaced the law with the Holy Spirit.
so Christians arent bound by the ten commandments and the jewish law, they are led by the Holy Spirit, which directs them to what pleases and what displeases God.
for reference, read the book of Romans. not a long read, and definitely a thorough one.
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