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Maybe there should be a virtual fox hunting game for all those farmers that need to get rid of their urges
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Lewis
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Yeah that will really save the £500 worth of chickens we lost to a single fox a few months ago. Fuck off if you dont know what your talking about.
Edit: Ok Citizen1989, just seen your uber long post... Yeah your good at typing for a 16 year old but all your basing this on is what you have heard from the league against cruel sports and people like that who's storys have been everywere.
Have you ever been to a selection of fox hunts?
If you have then you are blind, if you havent then i will mearly repeat myself "Fuck off if you dont know what your talking about".
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moi? im only being light hearted. i have no opinion. Im 2d. *cries*
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A family friend lost most of his chickens to a fox when it managed to break into their run, he took his shotgun, tracked it down (without the aid of sniffer dogs or the transport of horseback) but couldn't bring himself to shoot it - he had as good a reason as possible for wanting to kill that fox but he didn't.
On another note, what about the exploitation of the dogs and the horses? surely that is a cruel infringement of animal rights also?
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Lewis
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charleroi66 :
moi? im only being light hearted. i have no opinion. Im 2d. *cries*
I realise you were, it was a more general comment towards others... Just very touchy about this as i live in the heart of a farming community and bit by bit our way of life is being hacked to pieces. By city people and govenment.
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On another note, what about the exploitation of the dogs and the horses? surely that is a cruel infringement of animal rights also?
Oh come on, riding horses. Taking dogs for a run!!!!!!!!!
But whats the significance of your friend nto being able to shoot the fox? We let young fish go when fishing or if a young pest is on our land we woudl capture it and let it go a few miles away. It doesnt take much.
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well at the begining of this thread i was quite on the fence....and seeing so many foxes at the local beach at nite made it clear that there's more foxes than people make out so i can perhaps understand the other views of it.
I honestly dont think i have any right to have opinion cos i dont know fuck all on it really. So evryone else can do it for me 
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Lewis
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Thanks for taking that opinion, but i wouldn't trust them to know any better.
Anyway i am going to leave this else i will get annoyed.
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zvexmanson :
On another note, what about the exploitation of the dogs and the horses? surely that is a cruel infringement of animal rights also?
Oh come on, riding horses. Taking dogs for a run!!!!!!!!!
But whats the significance of your friend nto being able to shoot the fox? We let young fish go when fishing or if a young pest is on our land we woudl capture it and let it go a few miles away. It doesnt take much.
well there were two points:
firstly he managed to put himself in a position where he could kill the fox without having to organise a hunt - I am suggesting that fox hunts are unnecessary.
secondly he thought it was cruel to shoot it - he would have killed it instantly the distance he was from it, it wouldn't have sufferred at all. Further more, what if that fox had been a mother? what would have happened to the cubs?
you are not god, you have no right to compare the value of one animal with the value of another - yes, £500 worth of chickens is a lot of chickens and it is only one fox, at most a litter of five or six cubs too, but even so who are you to dole out any form of justice?
and as for the horses and dogs, I don't know what its like round your way but in staffordshire when they get old they get shot - as soon as they can't do their job to the best of their ability - they are used as tools - not the living creatures they are. Thats why its exploitation and why its cruel.
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right im going too put my 2 cents in
fox hunting , is not a bad thing, have any of you(excluding lewis ) actually seen what a fox can do, have any of you losyt chickens to a fox, think about the greater good, to kill one fox to save however meny chickens, is a good thing, it comes down to greater good.
try taking it from another perspective , being the farmer loosing lifestock they cant afford to loose, then see how people can support it, dont be so narrow minded in your opinions.
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Lewis
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well there were two points:
firstly he managed to put himself in a position where he could kill the fox without having to organise a hunt - I am suggesting that fox hunts are unnecessary.
Thats fair enough, i can see your point of view but the thing about fox hunts are they are purely additional to this same situation where you track down a fox thats causing troble and kill it.
The difference is that you get to give your dogs and horses some exercise and see some friends at the same time.
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secondly he thought it was cruel to shoot it - he would have killed it instantly the distance he was from it, it wouldn't have sufferred at all. Further more, what if that fox had been a mother? what would have happened to the cubs?
Thats why there are seasons for all types of hunting you cant/dont kill particular animals in their breeding seasion and fox hunts/pheasant shoots all those organised huts followed those seasons religiously.
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you are not god, you have no right to compare the value of one animal with the value of another - yes, £500 worth of chickens is a lot of chickens and it is only one fox, at most a litter of five or six cubs too, but even so who are you to dole out any form of justice?
No cubs as previously covered, so its purely a single fox against the value of chickens but its not that, when a fox finds a source of food, it will come back and back and back, there would be no way to keep any stock of chickens with that pest around. So what do you want us to do, sit on our asses and get in debt, give up our livelyhoods and lifestyle.
Nice one, to put this in perspective, if a bank has a problem with a hacker, they loose almost everything the bank has (i realise that extent isnt possible but its equivilent of us loosing all our chickens) If that bank doesnt either help get the hacker arrested or make sure the hacker cant get back in again he will be back for more.
And try telling me thats cruel to the hacker, just because he can no longer nick all that cash. Also dont try to tell me that ther hacker is still alive because if they did get arrested you can get more years for computer offences then you can for murder and whats the difference between spending the rest of your life in jail and being dead. Jail suicide rates say, not much.
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and as for the horses and dogs, I don't know what its like round your way but in staffordshire when they get old they get shot - as soon as they can't do their job to the best of their ability - they are used as tools - not the living creatures they are. Thats why its exploitation and why its cruel.
Horses get shot if they have a severe injury that the farmer cant afford to have fixed. You want to know why the farmer cant afford to have it fixed, because they work 7 days a week 365 days a year, longer hours then any other job could think about to earn barely enough to keep a family fed let alone horses healthy. Purely because of govenment legislation and all the wonderfull laws restricting the livelyhood and life of people who live and work the countryside.
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see its posts like that that make me want to do revision instead 
lol
(that must have took ages)
all im gonna say is,....the fox is the emblem of my old city of Leicester's football team. Can u imagine the mascot being chased by a pack of angry fox hunters?
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Lewis
5145 posts
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Fox hunters arn't angry... See this is the 'Evil' 'Cult' vision thats portrayed by animal rights activists and things. If you actually saw a fox hunt you would be very surprised for the better.
Anyway that post only took about 3 mins, as i said i dont want to get into this, it was a huge argument last time but is something i am very touchy about.
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its just i said angry cos itd work better as a funny image. I have no preconceptions of fox hunters at all. Its like traffic wardens, we know they all DO have emotions.
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Lewis
5145 posts
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lol, sorry should have realised that the second time around... Once again, *backs off*
I will wait for someone to be a retard and go posting without knowing what their talking about again then maybe ban them or something, give them enough time to actually come to the countryside and join in with the country life, realise what things are really like!
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does everybody say "i got a bran' new combine 'arvester" and " gurt big 'trac'or" ?
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Lewis
5145 posts
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Phone me up to day, i have a cornish accent when i dont try to avoid it.
But in short, yes.
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well in contrast i have a midlander dialect. At my college i put up with people from right up noorth and Dorse't folk.
weirdness.
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Andrew
1808 posts
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I'm for fox hunting, I dont agree that it should be for city folk to determine what happens in the country. There are many good arguments against it but personally I don't see it as being such a bad thing.
I could write a vast argument for it but I was up at 6 for work this morning and i'm tired.
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I don't agree with it, it seems like bloodsport for the hell of it and there are other ways to get your bloodthirsty fix. Kill Bill anyone.
Personally, I think government wasted a lot of time on it when there are other issues so much more important than whether some horse-riders and their dogs are allowed to continue hunting a countryside animal.
Sweeping stereotypes aside, it's a big fuss over a relatively minor issue, even those wildy opposed to the ban I am sure would admit that in the grand scale of things, other issues such as the war in Iraq and even the NHS could have used the valuable time spent discussing and negotiating in parliment.
And policemen have better things to do than follow up hunts.
Its quite subversive to behave like a pop star these days...
When your not one, you mean?!
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Jules
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Phone me up to day, i have a cornish accent when i dont try to avoid it.
But in short, yes.
Liar. :P
I agree that foxes need to be controlled, however I don't agree with fox hunting. I find shooting far more humane.
Besides, you could always search for the other fox hunting thread with Lewis's massive rant in it :P
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You find shooting more humane and this is based on what? A thought experiment? Does it mean nothing that hunting was found to be the most effective form of population control?
I think hunting is more humane than shooting. Guess what I am actually going to try to back that up. When a fox is hunted it is killed instantly when caught whereas when shot it often won't die immediately even if the hunter can be bothered to find the animal. Moreover I have been informed that generally healthy and young foxes aren't caught by the hunts. I am not sure how true that is to be honest.
It isn't like we are debating the difference between catching foxes then gutting them alive and keeping them living for hours to prolong the suffering and shooting. Hunting isn't that bad!
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Edit: Ok Citizen1989, just seen your uber long post... Yeah your good at typing for a 16 year old but all your basing this on is what you have heard from the league against cruel sports and people like that who's storys have been everywere.
Have you ever been to a selection of fox hunts?
No i've never been to any fox hunt, and i realise that is the biggets problem with my argument, perhaps i am wrong and all the stories i've read are false? But do you belive that you have to have been a soldier in numerous battles to disagree with war?
I have researched heavily into this(i have looked on LACS aswell as supportfoxhunting and the countryside alliance, but i found them both to be slightly unreliable) but i get alot of my information from the bbc, as it is usually pretty fair.
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If you have then you are blind, if you havent then i will mearly repeat myself "Fuck off if you dont know what your talking about".
wow that's a very agressive post. Look man you're entitled to your opinion, and i can see that we see things from a different perspective, but you noted nothing wrong with my post other then i didn't fucking know what i was talking about. I could say that about your post if i wanted, but i do think you know what you're talking about, i just think you look at things from one view, while ignoring others. To say that you don't knwo what you're talkign about when you clearly do though would be pretty immature. I don't meen to be disrespectful i just wouldn't expect that sort of thing from anyone, least of all an administrator.
This is the way i looked at it when i was researching into it. I personally believe, ignoring all the bigger economic issues, that fox hunting is wrong at it's core (disagree if you wish but that is how i feel). So i thought i'd look at all the evidence and see if there is a way where people can get all the pluses of fox hunting without having to do such a cruel sport. And looking at all the evidence i think it's very simple minded to say that fox hunting is the only was to do what is does. From what i saw, i reckon that the only aspect of fox hunting that people couldn't get elsewhere is the chasing and killing of a living fox. But most hunters assume me that the actual kill not a major part of it at all, so i just can't see the point in it.
If you disagree and think there are some aspects of fox hunting that can't be founds elsewhere then please send me your points and i will be happy to give you my thoughts on the matter.
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I will wait for someone to be a retard and go posting without knowing what their talking about again then maybe ban them or something, give them enough time to actually come to the countryside and join in with the country life, realise what things are really like!
Well if you believe that my post is retarded then please state why. If you want to ban me for disagreing with you then it's your choice, but it's a petty way to argue.
I live on the edge of the ashdown forest, so don't think that i am a city slicker who knows nothing of these matters, even though i dislike people who think that just because they have more experiance of something, that no one else should be able to make decisions on it. I disagree with hitler killing millions of jews, but i probably know alot less on the matter then him, does that make him right?
I am open minded to this issue, but from the facts and evidence i've seen i feel fox hunting is a cruel, ignorant and ultimately needless "sport" in this day and age. However i realise that it would be very ignorant for me to say that i am right and you are wrong. I will look at any facts or evidence you send me with an open mind. I admit that is possible that fox hunting is necessary, though from i've read i think that that's very unlikely. All i ask of you is to look at my point of view from an open mind, surely you can at least admit the possibility that you are mistaken?
Maybe you will get furious when you read this post, and respond with numerous insults and possibly ban me. But i hope that that is not the case. I will find it very sad if you will not be open minded at all, as i see from your signature that you also agree that "there are none so blind as those that will not see"
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Jules
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Kashmir;This is based on my earlier post actually.
And no, it means nothing. See earlier post.
And your argument has been shot down in flames by everyone else. Yet again...see earlier posts.
Before you start getting all agressive and repeating yourself. Just incase you missed the hint...see earlier posts. 
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I also can't see how the shooting can be more cruel than hunting. I can't see how it's less twisted to shoot a fox than to chase it down by a big pack of dogs and have it torn to shreds while still alive. At least if it's shot it has no idea of what's about to happen. OK if you want to get rid of pests then do it, but getting some kind of sick enjoyment out of it is disgusting in my view.
And class war isn't that ridiculous. Fox hunting reminds me of feudal class systems, suggesting that those who hunt are somehow better than people who don't. There's just something about it that I find very distasteful in that regard.
The fox is killed by the lead dog instantly with a bite to the neck (that is what I have read and heard anyway). So it is irrelevant what the dogs do to it afterwards.
I don't think it is up to anyone to judge how country folk want to go about population control. Just because they enjoy it doesn't make it any less or more wrong. That should be besides the point.
Surely the problem is not that only certain prviledged people can fox hunt. The problem is that you have a problem with this. We live in the UK not Cuba (incidentaly I'm pretty sure Mr Castro could afford a few horses and a pretty red jacket). Not everyone can own a horse so not everyone can play polo for example, that doesn't make people who play polo "better" it just makes them richer!
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Jules :
Kashmir;This is based on my earlier post actually.
And no, it means nothing. See earlier post.
And your argument has been shot down in flames by everyone else. Yet again...see earlier posts.
Before you start getting all agressive and repeating yourself. Just incase you missed the hint...see earlier posts.
I read trhe posts but I didn't see anything that refuted me at all!
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