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I wasn't particularly bothered about the lack of humour. To be honest, I prefer a darker film, and that includes a lack of silly comments and jokes. It can work sometimes - it did at a few points in TDK - but with TDKR I think it was appropriate to make it pretty serious.
TDK felt like a dark and serious movie, but those scenes with Alfred would always give me a bit of a laugh, which was always a nice touch. It was never really forced humor, but just little subtleties that were witty and clever. This one was just serious the whole way through, which worked, but I do think they needed a bit more witty scenes. Like when Batman is talking to Catwoman, she leaves and he says: "So that's what that feels like" . I was hoping for just a bit more of those, and more fighting, intense scenes.
What an excellent trilogy though. Hats off to Nolan, he did a phenomenal job.
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Ah yeah, in fairness that was a great line! Nah, I know what you mean. I'm just indifferent to humour in films like that generally, although Nolan at least knows how to put humour into a dark film without being too cheesy.
Yeah, he's done brilliantly. It'll be a classic trilogy for years to come, I can guarantee it. Can't see anyone doing a better take on Batman for a looong time.
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Very true, I think people are going to have to stay away from Batman in movies for a while. He really created something special, great trilogy. I hope a box set comes out later on, I'd definitely buy that!
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On the subject of Bane, what's everyone's opinion on his voice? Opinion's seem to be split right down the middle, love or hate.
I really liked it, but a lot of people think it was stupid, and while I understood every word, some are still ranting about not being able to understand him.
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I loved his voice, absolutely loved it. I thought it was Darth Vader-ish at first, but I like the vocal fluctuations and it doesn't come off as being like fake, airy, or real stupid sounding. I expected it at first to be low pitched or gruff like Batman's voice, but it is a nice contrast in voice from Batman. He almost comes across as approachable, if not for his huge biceps and he knack for bearing high powered weapons at most times.
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I loved his voice, but i still insist that it was so muffled that i missed a few lines. Tom Hardy perfected it though, as people probably underestimate how intelligent a villain Bane is, and he does quite a posh, proper voice for him which i thought was excellent.
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Aha I just posted the same thing in the other thread.
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I really like Bale, he seems like a very legitimately good person, and he's a great actor.
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I've just got back from seeing it and I absolutely loved it and on the subject of Bane's voice. I understood most of what he was saying but I occasionally missed a few words but overall I liked it, it made him seem like a wise old man to me for some reason.
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Massive let down. Still a decent film, but far too much hype I think. So, so many thinks in it that make you go  erhhh WTF? Dark Knight was far better.
Ohh and for the record, yeah Bane's voice is awful. The main downfall of the film.
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I can imagine some people being disappointed with this movie on account of it not being The Dark Knight, but they have to realise it wasn't trying to be. Each of the three movies has its own identity and this one kind of seemed to carry a mixture of themes from both the previous movies while exploring new ones.
Batman Begins was about the nature of fear, and turning your negative emotions into something positive. It was about someone taking a stand against the corrupt and the injust at a time when they've become the norm. And it was about the extremes people will go to to battle this injustice - Ra's Al Ghul at one end of the spectrum and Bruce Wayne at the other. Both are fighting for the same thing, essentially, but despite their goals being rooted in the same idea, the choices they've made have taken them in completely different paths. Ra's seeks an end to the injustice through destruction - a cleansing fire, and a new start, while Bruce Wayne wants to fight the injustice by showing the corrupt that not everybody is afraid of them, and in a city where the police are largely under criminal control, somebody outside the law is someone for them to fear.
The Dark Knight expands on the idea of the nature of fear and ties it in to a more personal quest for Wayne. The movie is about how Batman as a symbol can do more than Bruce Wayne as a man could ever do, and despite what he's done for the people of Gotham, how fear turns them on him. It's about the trials and tribulations of being Batman - of being an anonymous guardian, and the pain he must endure because of the path that he's taken. And it's doing what has to be done for the good of the people - the sacrifices you have to make for the cause you've dedicated yourself to.
Rises takes a little from both, although I think it's more spiritually linked to Begins than Knight, which is a wise move as far as I'm concerned. Rises touches on the themes of the negative emotions being turned into something positive. At the start of the movie, Bruce seems lost like he did at the start of Begins. The death of Rachel has left a hole in him, and the infamy of Batman - sacrificed to allow the faux-heroics of Dent to provide the necessary inspiration to the people of Gotham has caused him to be a recluse. He's achieved his goals of creating peace in Gotham, but in doing so has lost part of himself, and the person he loves. He's wallowing, much like he was in Begins, and he needs something to jolt him out of it and set him back on the right path.
But it also takes thematic elements from Knight. It continues the idea of sacrifice, albeit in a different way. And it continues the theme of the people being fickle through fear, again, in a totally different way. In Knight the people turn on Batman because they're scared, and in Rises they turn to him for the same reason. The story arrives back to where it begins. The prophetic words of Ra's Al Ghul - Batman becomes legend by becoming more than just a man. They unveil the statue and he becomes a literal icon of hope for the city. An anonymous hero who could be any one of the people that live in the city, who gave everything for them. He fulfills what he sets out to do in the first movie and becomes more than he could ever have been as Bruce Wayne.
As a finale, I think it really worked. It brought the story full circle and it finished it off in a way that felt true to the trilogy. It fit nicely with the other two movies and made it feel like a complete story rather than just three movies about Batman. And most importantly, it was just a great movie.
I really liked Bane as a villain. I don't care for Bane in the comics, but I liked what they did with him here. I've got to get on to the voice because it seems everyone does, and I have to say I really liked it. I'd be lying if I said I understood everything he said. There were times when I couldn't make it out. But I honestly don't think it hurt him as a character at all. I loved the tone of his voice and how non-threatening it was. I loved how he only raised his voice a couple of times in the movie. It actually made him more threatening, I think. His absolute calm in amongst all the chaos worked well to demonstrate the different sides to the character - he's not just a steroid freak with no brains. He's as smart as he is tough, and tying him in with the League of Shadows, and the back story surrounding the prison, gave him more personality than I was expecting.
The Talia Al Ghul thing felt a bit rushed. She announces who she is and then four minutes later she's brown bread. But it didn't ruin it for me. As soon as they mentioned Ra's Al Ghuls kid I was expecting the turn, and since there was only two prominent female characters in the movie and one of them was Catwoman, I could see it coming a mile off so it didn't seem as rushed as it might have to someone who wasn't expecting it. The killing of Bane did seem a little anti-climatic, and the switch to Talia as the final villain reminded me of the supplanting of Joker with Two Face in Knight. Again, it didn't bother me, because this wasn't as personal a story, and the ultimate issue was the ticking time bomb and the sacrifice of Batman.
Catwoman was probably what surprised me most. Anne Hathaway was just great in this, and I think she stole every scene she was in. I wasn't really expecting much from Catwoman, and I was very impressed by how much she added to this movie.
I really liked the section with Bruce in the prison having to find the will to go back to Gotham and take on Bane. I liked how they set Joseph-Gordon Levitt up to take over from Bruce as Batman. And I liked the cameo from Liam Neeson to tie things up further with Begins.
All in all, I think it brought the necessary emotional impact for the end of a trilogy, and it ended on a high. I'm going to see it again and I'll probably have more to say. But right now, for me, it totally lived up to what I hoped it would be.
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Catwoman was probably what surprised me most. Anne Hathaway was just great in this, and I think she stole every scene she was in. I wasn't really expecting much from Catwoman, and I was very impressed by how much she added to this movie.
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I really liked the section with Bruce in the prison having to find the will to go back to Gotham and take on Bane. I liked how they set Joseph-Gordon Levitt up to take over from Bruce as Batman. And I liked the cameo from Liam Neeson to tie things up further with Begins.
And I ask you this: How the fuck did he get back to Gothem? Funny how there was a nuke about to go off any second and yet he still had time to build that Bat-sign on the bridge which is set alight aswell.
I might be being picky, but I could really rant about this film for quite some time. Like I said, still a decent film, but far too many flaws.
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The nuke had a few months before it deteriorated and blew up by itself. I'm guessing Bats got out with about a week or something left and made it to Gotham just in time.
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I can't remember where it was mentioned in the film but Bruce got out I think a month before the nuke was to go off.
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I thought it had 26 days left when he first got thrown in?  I might be very wrong?
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I thought it had 26 days left when he first got thrown in? I might be very wrong?
That's it! he got out at about 26 days remaining. He got thrown in when there was 5 months left since the bomb wasn't introduced till after he got put in the pit and Bane needed those hand prints to release the nuke from where it was held.
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I thought it had 26 days left when he first got thrown in? I might be very wrong?
That's it! he got out at about 26 days remaining. He got thrown in when there was 5 months left since the bomb wasn't introduced till after he got put in the pit and Bane needed those hand prints to release the nuke from where it was held.
Haha, arhh right. So did he literally just walk back to Gotham? And I still think it's abit stupid they used that bat-sign on the bridge. Could of just used the spotlight like usual.
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He's Bruce Wayne, I'm sure he could have sorted something out. Couldn't use the spotlight since it was smashed at the end of The Dark Knight.
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He was bankrupt, in the middle of nowhere and had recovered from a broken back in about the space of a week. They've missed out a huge chunk there. They could of atleast shown us a minute or so of him making his way.
Oh I forgot the spotlight got smashed. My Bad. Was there not more than one though?
Another thing that really annoyed me was the amount of time that had past since the Joker. 8 years. Why 8 years? 2 or 3 would of been much more suitible. Do you not think Bruce Wayne's muscles and body would have significantly deteriorated if he had been sat in that mansion doing fuck all for 8 years? Nah...instead all it takes is a leg brace and he's back to kicking walls through. Ridiculous.
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Probably something to do with the story from the comics that it was based on. Either way, presuming he wasn't that old in Batman Begins and The Dark Knight (I'm not sure how old he was supposed to be in those, but I'd guess at mid/late twenties after the training with the League of Shadows - bear in mind he didn't get much older during those films because Batman Begins ran into The Dark Knight in terms of chronology) he would have been in his mid thirties, and thus still physically capable - with some technological help from Lucius on the legs (which was a bit spectacular, but if you've got gripes with that technology then look at all the other stuff he gets from applied sciences...). In The Dark Knight Returns, in the comics, he comes back at age 40, and he's still just about strong enough. Think about it - Bruce Wayne is unbelievably strong and fit, so even with a few years under his belt he's not bad physically. In the first two films no-one even comes close to matching him in a fight, bar Ra's. Actually, even before his training with the League of Shadows he can take on six or seven people at once (as he does in the prison). So you've gotta get your head around the fact that his strength and agility are the best of the best.
If Nolan set it so many years later without it being a reference to the comics, I guess he did it to make it Batman's final stand. It makes it a sort of special comeback. He's coming back to fight this final fight and that's it. He's at the age where, although still pretty strong, he needs to think about really giving it a rest and getting on with the rest of his life. Plus eight years in the future is ample time for the people of Gotham to fully mourn over Harvey Dent and almost forget about the Batman altogether. Two or three years wouldn't have been long enough for the city to adjust to not having him there. It's hard to explain.. but eight years just makes it more significant, in a way.
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He was bankrupt, in the middle of nowhere and had recovered from a broken back in about the space of a week. They've missed out a huge chunk there. They could of atleast shown us a minute or so of him making his way.
Actually, that whole sequence from his waking up in the prison to his return to Gotham spanned about 5 months. Also, his back wasn't broke, just slightly dislocated.
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He was bankrupt, in the middle of nowhere and had recovered from a broken back in about the space of a week. They've missed out a huge chunk there. They could of atleast shown us a minute or so of him making his way.
Actually, that whole sequence from his waking up in the prison to his return to Gotham spanned about 5 months.
Did it?
Well IF thats the case then fair enough, but I don't think the film made that clear enough, cause I wasn't aware of it. Nor was anyone else that I watched it with.
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He was bankrupt, in the middle of nowhere and had recovered from a broken back in about the space of a week. They've missed out a huge chunk there. They could of atleast shown us a minute or so of him making his way.
Actually, that whole sequence from his waking up in the prison to his return to Gotham spanned about 5 months.
Did it?
Well IF thats the case then fair enough, but I don't think the film made that clear enough, cause I wasn't aware of it. Nor was anyone else that I watched it with.
Yep. When Bane returns to gotham after imprisoning Bruce and kidnaps Miranda, Lucius and the other board member to convert the fission device into a bomb, then commands his men to remove it from its housing, Dr Pavel protests that it will only be a matter of months until it fully decays and explodes and Bane says
"5 (months), by my calculation"
This is however long after Bruce has already been imprisoned.
Tis pretty clear in the film to be fair, so i've no idea how you and your friends could have missed it. You're not one of those annoying bunch who just talks all the way through a film and annoys the rest of the audience, are you? That would be my only explanation as to how you could have missed it. Either that or you all went for a piss together... 
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