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It genuinely boggles the mind how he's been declared legally sane. He was forced to watch videos demonstrating what he'd done to the 77 murdered victims of his and supposedly cried tears of pride. I don't understand what's taking so long just either throwing him a cell for the rest of his life or killing him. Sorry but he's literally said he's proud of what he's done and that if he's ever released, he will do it all over again. It doesn't really leave much room for interpretation, does it? I loathe the death penalty but I'd be outraged if this guy didn't get killed.
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In the end it is good thing that he was declared legally sane. That way he will get more serious sentence.
I however, just want to forget the guys existence.
It is good thing that by i think it was judges decision, Breiviks 30min speech for his defense was not shown in television. That way he won't get any more unneeded publicity.
About the death penalty, I'm usually greatly against it. That is because when the convicted is killed, he doesn't have to live with guilt and his conscience for rest of his life. Breivik however is actually proud for what he did so him suffering from guilt is out of question. It all just makes me sick
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He is the true definition of a monster.
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kill him
I´ll hide from the world
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And I´ll burn forever can´t face the shame!
... tired of living ...
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I think too many people are pro-insanity in this case. I don't agree with everyone immediately assuming that he MUST be a loony. He clearly has about as extreme views as you can get, and if a person is that dedicated to a disgusting ideology then what he did becomes a logical response from his point of view. An utterly abhorant act; but not necessarily delusional thinking or anything like that. Terrorists are essentially exactly the same - trying to kill people for their political views, but we don't assume them all to be literally mad.
At the end of the day, there isn't a single punishment strong enough for what he did. Being declared insane would let him off more lightly and that's not something that seems appropriate. If he is as mad as a hatter, then so be it, but I don't want people to be blinded by the notion that he surely is...
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He now says what he did was 'horrific'
It annoys me to no extent that they're actually giving him a chance to talk this much shite and gain publicity for it. It's exactly what he wants.
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He now says what he did was 'horrific'
It annoys me to no extent that they're actually giving him a chance to talk this much shite and gain publicity for it. It's exactly what he wants.
He is given a chance to talk so there would be a way to truly find out what happened during last July. It is also pretty much the only for court to be able to negotiate with Breivik. If he wouldn't be able to talk what he wants to, he would refuse to co-operate with the court all together.
I really don't like how much useless publicity he gains from that, but at least the court is trying to reduce that as much as possible. I think it was Breiviks 30 minute speech for his own defense that the judge didn't allow to be televised.
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Pure fucking evil. Torture the cunt.
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Kinda makes you wonder how someone ends up this way.
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I think too many people are pro-insanity in this case. I don't agree with everyone immediately assuming that he MUST be a loony. He clearly has about as extreme views as you can get, and if a person is that dedicated to a disgusting ideology then what he did becomes a logical response from his point of view. An utterly abhorant act; but not necessarily delusional thinking or anything like that. Terrorists are essentially exactly the same - trying to kill people for their political views, but we don't assume them all to be literally mad.
At the end of the day, there isn't a single punishment strong enough for what he did. Being declared insane would let him off more lightly and that's not something that seems appropriate. If he is as mad as a hatter, then so be it, but I don't want people to be blinded by the notion that he surely is...
Well said.
While punishing him is of course important, it is equally important to establish as much knowledge about the attack as possible, so there's a chance to prevent possible future attacks of a similar kind.
And don't worry, in the end he'll end up rotting in a prison for life. You can count on that much.
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The only reason to declare him insane is that he doesn't want it, he wants to be declared legally sane, so it would piss him off if he was declared insane.
This case is so interesting, finally there is someone with extreme views like this who has actually done something extreme and that is seen as pure evil, and he's still alive. Finally we can question him and ask him why he did all these things and how he thinks and why he thinks that. And how he prepared for that attack, which was very successful, it's quite impressive how he did that. I can see why he would be proud of it.
And he's not a Muslim extremist or someone from an alien culture, he's Western, white, Norwegian, Christian, and completely normal for the West, he is like us. So we have to find something that makes him different from us and explains his otherness, because we don't want to be associated with him.
I personally don't think he's mad or evil, he's normal with views that don't fit normal society. If he hadn't turned to action, no one would know him. Imagine how many people with his views live a normal, hidden, life.
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^ Unless he only said he would hate it to be declared insane as a bluff so it would be more likely that he would be. There's lots of ways of looking at motivations behind declaring him insane / sane, but at the end of the day it should be left simple that if he's paranoid schizophrenic then an asylum is where he deserves, but holding extreme views and acting on them doesn't automatically make you that.
I have to say I agree with most of what you said though - he's no different to middle eastern suicide bombers. It's just that with him being white it stikes up such an unusual contrast that western society seems to have to move to paint him to be pure evil rather than the usual political extremeist. He deserves to pay strongly for what he did, but why can't he just be a political extremeist?
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It annoys me to no extent that they're actually giving him a chance to talk this much shite and gain publicity for it. It's exactly what he wants.
So it doesn't annoy you?
On topic, I was under the impression there were 2 medical reports, one saying he was sane and the other diagnosing him as suffering from schizophrenia.
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Doos and heg are very sensible people with very good points. I agree.
I think it's very important to try to understand why and how he did it. And like said before, if he's not actually got a mental illness, then he's not insane. He just believes in some very different things and believes in enforcing them in very different ways.
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He's crazy, and sometimes you can't fix crazy. Either lock him up forever or kill the man, there's no point in them giving him more publicity like this.
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It annoys me to no extent that they're actually giving him a chance to talk this much shite and gain publicity for it. It's exactly what he wants.
So it doesn't annoy you?
'To no extent' means there's no limit to it
Also I'm sorry but no matter his reasoning for killing 77 people, he killed 77 people without remorse and would do it again. That makes him insane in my books.
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I don't think it makes him insane, just dangerous and evil. If he had charged into a group swinging a knife or shooting off a gun randomly or something of that nature, then maybe you could classify him as a crazy person, but you can't say that he didn't plan all of this out in a way that someone completely crazy probably wouldn't have been able to do. He's not crazy, in my opinion at least, he just believes in some very warped ideas.
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I think being evil and being insane go hand in hand. No one in their right mind would do stuff like that the way I see it. Whether it makes him legally insane or not doesn't affect the fact that I'd still consider him insane personally.
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It's all a matter of your own morals and how you look at a situation. There is no real definition of good or evil in a world with so many varying opinions and beliefs. He didn't think he was being evil, he was doing something he strongly believed in and took great pride in it. Of course, by the majority's/society's standards, he is certainly an evil man, I don't think he'd classify himself as such. I personally don't think he's insane or evil, but that still doesn't mean that we he did could ever be justified or forgiven.
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I think labelling beliefs as "insane" just because they are very different from societys norms is a very dangerous and closed-minded road to go down. Breivik deserves the harshest punishment but just resorting to calling him mad seems quite an oversimplification.
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I just don't think a normal or sane person would do what he did. Not to say he doesn't deserve the harshest punishment but I just can't believe someone in their right mind would do something like this.
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I think labelling beliefs as "insane" just because they are very different from societys norms is a very dangerous and closed-minded road to go down. Breivik deserves the harshest punishment but just resorting to calling him mad seems quite an oversimplification.
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I just don't think a normal or sane person would do what he did. Not to say he doesn't deserve the harshest punishment but I just can't believe someone in their right mind would do something like this.
I think Breivik did this because he was in his right mind. He sees multiculturalism as the worst threat to his country, and he honestly believed he could defend his country against this threat by killing all these people. So for him, his actions are perfectly reasonable. Normal society doesn't agree with his views or his actions, but that doesn't mean he's insane, he just has a different perspective on things.
Saying he's insane would automatically explain everything he has done, because insanity would be the explanation for killing dozens of people. But then we wouldn't look at the real causes, the reasons Breivik himself says he has done this. So presuming he is sane and he had a valid reason for doing this, then we have to understand his views and perceptions, if we want to understand why exactly he did this.
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Heh. Never seen anyone use it to mean 'not at all' before.
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