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I guess this African fight is within out capabilities to stop if we wanted, but the world gets pissed every time the US joins another fight, calls it agression. Obviously we haven't done it right every time, but make up your damn mind American citizens and the world, do you want us to keep intervening or not?
You have to keep in mind when you ask America to intervene, we are going to do it the American way, assert our own agenda, and fuck up some along the way. But the violence will be severely curbed. It's tradeoffs you have to accept when the international community calls for our aid.
And there's why America is hated in a nut shell...
Well within our capabilities? So like Vietnam then, how did that bad boy end by the way?
There's a difference between intervention and warfare. It can be humanitarian or peacekeeping.
As a unit, not taking a side, but ensuring crimes happen on neither side, so it does not become an international armed conflict.
It doesn't have to be visible american ground presence in the form of the US military as a war unit.
Alot of countries also don't ask America to intervene, but you do anyway.
And you do work on agression, that is the basis of the "War on Terror ."
America also used that tag to circumvent the much more numerous and significant laws of war for international armed conflict by arguing it was not against a state. Then tried to remove every other law by saying it wasn't non international either. The second argument failed by the way, but th administration stated Geneva conventions were quaint and you don't apply them despite certain provisions supposedly being customary international law.
And the violence will be severely curbed? Are you on crack, Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanastan? In what way was violence curbed since you rocked up?
You don't play by the rules, why should any country have to accept that?
I also doubt it's a coincidence this has all occurred following significant mineral finds in Uganda.
Like I say, knowledge of it is good, but no critical evaluation of the company, the reasons why it's so specific and without pushing the further issues, is bad. Because once Kony blows over, it ends. Everyone forgets and it continues as was....
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And there's why America is hated in a nut shell...
Well within our capabilities? So like Vietnam then, how did that bad boy end by the way?
There's a difference between intervention and warfare. It can be humanitarian or peacekeeping.
As a unit, not taking a side, but ensuring crimes happen on neither side, so it does not become an international armed conflict.
It doesn't have to be visible american ground presence in the form of the US military as a war unit.
Alot of countries also don't ask America to intervene, but you do anyway.
And you do work on agression, that is the basis of the "War on Terror ."
America also used that tag to circumvent the much more numerous and significant laws of war for international armed conflict by arguing it was not against a state. Then tried to remove every other law by saying it wasn't non international either. The second argument failed by the way, but th administration stated Geneva conventions were quaint and you don't apply them despite certain provisions supposedly being customary international law.
And the violence will be severely curbed? Are you on crack, Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanastan? In what way was violence curbed since you rocked up?
You don't play by the rules, why should any country have to accept that?
I also doubt it's a coincidence this has all occurred following significant mineral finds in Uganda.
Like I say, knowledge of it is good, but no critical evaluation of the company, the reasons why it's so specific and without pushing the further issues, is bad. Because once Kony blows over, it ends. Everyone forgets and it continues as was....
I guess I should stop saying We and you should stop saying You. Because I'm not really the one who's been endorsing all these Globo-cop actions.
There's a difference between starting a war and being there as peacekeeping troops. Iraq, Afganistan, and Vietnam where waged wars, so of course the violence is going to shoot up dramatically. I mean station troops at much smaller conflicts or picking sides on regime changes. There's already a civil war going on anyway, so basically everyone's fucked if government reform action is forced from an outside force.
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I guess I should stop saying We and you should stop saying You. Because I'm not really the one who's been endorsing all these Globo-cop actions.
There's a difference between starting a war and being there as peacekeeping troops. Iraq, Afganistan, and Vietnam where waged wars, so of course the violence is going to shoot up dramatically. I mean station troops at much smaller conflicts or picking sides on regime changes. There's already a civil war going on anyway, so basically everyone's fucked if government reform action is forced from an outside force.
Maybe, doesn't invalidate my points though.
Countries can't pick sides in a regime change. If there is a Civil War, states are not supposed to interfere directly. If they do, it becomes an International Armed Conflict and opens up a huge can of worms.
It'd only be possible in certain circumstance, such as through NATO whereby peacekeeping forces can come in and intervene.
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Could that scrotum tickler be one Matt Bellamy of Muse? :P
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My will to debate in this situations is pretty limited, because I don't even know what America should do in the situation, alls I know is international backlash will come no matter what America decides to do, to stay out of it or get into it. America made Libya a more coalition effort with international agreement, and people got pissed because we weren't doing enough or sending in ground forces. Can't win the publicity war either way with our worldwide reputation.
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To be fair, from where I've been sitting it's only been Republicans getting pissy at America not leading a huge charge into the conflict, whereas everyone else seems to have been quite happy that America didn't feel that it needed to assert its ego.
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To be fair, from where I've been sitting it's only been Republicans getting pissy at America not leading a huge charge into the conflict, whereas everyone else seems to have been quite happy that America didn't feel that it needed to assert its ego.
This.
There has been very little criticism about the over here. More about whether they were going above and beyond the allowances of the security council in their actions.
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They knew about it, but what where they going to be able to do until they actually invaded France and Germany on the ground? The Normandy invasion wasn't yet ready to happen until it did in 1944.
They were perfectly able to blow up the ovens instead of the industrial sites they did target.
(Sorry, can't let this one go, and I don't feel the urge to discuss Kony.)
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They knew about it, but what where they going to be able to do until they actually invaded France and Germany on the ground? The Normandy invasion wasn't yet ready to happen until it did in 1944.
They were perfectly able to blow up the ovens instead of the industrial sites they did target.
(Sorry, can't let this one go, and I don't feel the urge to discuss Kony.)
Are you serious?
The range and accuracy of planes at the time would probably mean 1 oven out of 50 targeted would be hit, and then half the barracks of prisoners would have been blown to smithereens, defeating the whole purpose. Bombers at the time could hardly hit large factories without massive carpet bombing an area before the invention of better bombsights late in the war once normandy had already happened., This just made collateral damage all around the anyway. Paratroopers would have been quickly surrounded or eliminated if they where dropped behind enemy lines. Not possible other than assisting the resistance movements in the different countries, but that becomes even more difficult to get Allied agents that far into enemy territory. Impossible till ground troops got there.
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Should've anticipated that argument, but didn't want to take it further than necessary. By the time the first (three I think) crematoria in Birkenau were completed, the Belgian and French resistance already knew the purpose and locations of the camps. Even if they lacked pin-point accuracy, blowing up the camps as late as early 1944 would have saved at least 500,000 people.
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A priest God never paid :
Should've anticipated that argument, but didn't want to take it further than necessary. By the time the first (three I think) crematoria in Birkenau were completed, the Belgian and French resistance already knew the purpose and locations of the camps. Even if they lacked pin-point accuracy, blowing up the camps as late as early 1944 would have saved at least 500,000 people.
I guess complete destruction of the camps would help in the long run, if they where legitimate death camps and not work camps. Allied bombing of German civilians though was already morally contentious enough to consider bombing captured Jews in death camps for something that could be built up again if Hitler was really determined.
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AlexDalton123 :
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Explains where everyone's money really went, then.
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AlexDalton123 :
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Brilliant.
Love is a shadow in the brightness it dies.
I want to scream one last death medley.
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There's no cumming back from that
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There's no cumming back from that
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"Jason Russell was unfortunately hospitalized yesterday suffering from exhaustion, dehydration, and malnutrition. He is now receiving medical care and is focused on getting better. The past two weeks have taken a severe emotional toll on all of us, Jason especially, and that toll manifested itself in an unfortunate incident yesterday. Jason's passion and his work have done so much to help so many, and we are devastated to see him dealing with this personal health issue. We will always love and support Jason, and we ask that you give his entire family privacy during this difficult time."
>Arrested for screaming wildly in the street in his underwear and masturbating.
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LOLOLOLOLOL
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We will always love and support Jason, and we ask that you give his entire family privacy during this difficult time."
They ask to give the guy who used his six-year-old for purposes of propaganda privacy?
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LOLOLOLOLOL
I want that full video.
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