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wiljones :
No, but you'd still like to shit stir.
I just think it's funny that you accuse people of being keyboard warriors.
I could go on to say how I think that as a recent poster, your posts on the state of affairs here are totally irrelevant. I could mention how, to the casual observer, it may appear that in fact you are the troll. But seeing as you tend to resort to using homosexuality as an insult, I can't really see that you're worth my time.
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Why is that funny? Because it's true? Because someone, seeing I was a new poster, deliberately trolled on several of my posts within minutes of each other in order to get a reaction? And in calling this poster out as said keyboard warrior, a correct statement, I am a hypocrite if I then try and justify my comments?
I'm glad that you feel similarly dismissive of a poster due to how often they have posted on here, regardless of the fact you know nothing about them. I'm not bothered whether or not you think I'm a troll. If you can't be bothered to read what actually happened, and see the chronology of events that led to said troll poster getting the reaction from me he wanted, then you shouldn't accuse me of being a troll...even if you 'causally observed' the events.
Also, the homosexual 'insult' was meeting the troll at his own game. He got a reaction. Good for him. He also has several last warnings for abuse. He's quite clearly the persecuted party here...If you want to defend him by vilifying me, go for it. Seems it's a common theme for established posters to jump to the defence of trolls, regardless of who is in the wrong...
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Firstly, having seen your opening post (or should that be salvo...), it was quite clear that you posted to get a reaction. You should have anticipated a response. Also, I haven't called you a hypocrite.
Secondly, I never accused you of being a troll. I'm not dismissive of your views, I just think it's silly of you to generally criticise a lot of people without having been on the board all that long. I happen to agree that a fair few people "jump on the bandwagon" quite a bit. I was merely stating that as a relative "newbie" you have to expect people to disregard what you said as you haven't been a member that long. I read what happened, don't assume I didn't just because I'm poking fun at you. You're the one who's misinterpreted my posts. I'm not the casual observer I mentioned.
I'm not defending deadstar or Alex, they can fight their own "battles". I don't necessarily agree with what they've said either, I just thought that doing what you see as "sinking to their level" has undermined everything you said. P.S. Whilst deadstar posted for a reaction, that is actually his opinion.
Reading through your posts to make sure I addressed the main issues it becomes clear that you've got a hugely over-inflated opinion of yourself. My god are you self-righteous.
The funny thing is that you are the very definition of a keyboard warrior.
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"Also, the homosexual 'insult' was meeting the troll at his own game. He got a reaction. Good for him. He also has several last warnings for abuse. He's quite clearly the persecuted party here...If you want to defend him by vilifying me, go for it. Seems it's a common theme for established posters to jump to the defence of trolls, regardless of who is in the wrong..."
It was also directed at me. Something you also happened to bring up randomly in a threat in /rt/. If that isn't trolling then what is? Also, just so you know, and I don't care if you don't care, but I'm straight, and am in a long term relationship. So saying I'm gay isn't really going to work. It's just a bit pathetic and sad, to be honest.
All I've actually said is:
Sigur Ros do not sound like Muse.
In what way would posting a list of Matt's warnings prove your point?
And an explanation on how I was just giving my observations.
In no way have I tried to insult you personally, in any shape or form.
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I love cock to be honest, I just don't see how using it as an insult is at all relevant, even if it is a true statement.
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Firstly, having seen your opening post (or should that be salvo...), it was quite clear that you posted to get a reaction. You should have anticipated a response. Also, I haven't called you a hypocrite.
Secondly, I never accused you of being a troll. I'm not dismissive of your views, I just think it's silly of you to generally criticise a lot of people without having been on the board all that long. I happen to agree that a fair few people "jump on the bandwagon" quite a bit. I was merely stating that as a relative "newbie" you have to expect people to disregard what you said as you haven't been a member that long. I read what happened, don't assume I didn't just because I'm poking fun at you. You're the one who's misinterpreted my posts. I'm not the casual observer I mentioned.
I'm not defending deadstar or Alex, they can fight their own "battles". I don't necessarily agree with what they've said either, I just thought that doing what you see as "sinking to their level" has undermined everything you said. P.S. Whilst deadstar posted for a reaction, that is actually his opinion.
Reading through your posts to make sure I addressed the main issues it becomes clear that you've got a hugely over-inflated opinion of yourself. My god are you self-righteous.
The funny thing is that you are the very definition of a keyboard warrior.
Firstly, no, i did not post to get a reaction. I posted to posit my views, just as everyone else does on here. I didn't meant to offend nor condemn. If you mean a reaction akin to the 'Plug in Baby and Hysteria are shit' comment it received, then I definitely did not mean for it to be touch paper for trolls to spark off from. You insinuated I was a hypocrite, by stating that, because I called him a keyboard warrior, something which you believe I am to be (which you repeat at the end of this post), it is ironic that I should call him that. Because it is a hypocritical statement. It is in no way ironic unless I am a hypocrite. So which is it to be, a non-ironic statement dependant upon my hypocrisy, or not?
Again, you're assuming. I have said I've read these boards since '07, hence why I feel that I can talk generally about the attitude of certain posters and 'adopting' the views of other posters. If I'd been on for a few weeks, I wouldn't have generalised in such a way. If you had been more than a casual observer (I was aware you were referring to others, but the fact you've decided to target me than the troll deadstar led me to suggest you had not read the posts in any greater depth than a skim read), you may have seen I have referred to reading these boards for four years. In any case, I don't see how my views should be given any less credence due to the amount of posts I have made on these boards, or the date I signed up. Unless, of course, this is further evidence of the established elitism, where only the select few who have been posting here daily for years get listened to, thus we get statements like' Feeling Good is shit', and everyone nods in agreement.
I dare say getting involved in a faeces throwing match with trolls does make me as bad as them. Oh well. That still doesn't explain why you've criticised me and not them. Unless, of course, yet again, because I'm new, you feel I'm more worthy of 'poking fun at'.
I'm impressed you're able to glean a personality from what they write on the internet. In that case, deadstar is the kind of who punches the people in front of him on the bus in the back of the head, before pointing to the old man several seats away saying 'he did it'. Now, would your character assumption make you the very thing you accuse me of? Would it, just as deadstar's trolling did to me, make you as bad as me? I think it would...hypocrisy indeed...
Incidentally, yeah, I probably am a self-righteous prick. As, I've found, a significant amount of Muse fans are. Generally speaking, and this is a massive generalisation, one that is not intended to 'get a reaction', but one I'm going to state anyway, on the basis of my experience, Muse fans are typically fairly intelligent, socially awkward, middle class white boys. You get them in a large group on the internet, and the loss of social stigmas and embarrassment intensifies the arrogance that often exists in these kinds of people. But that's the nature of the internet.
'The funny thing is that you are the very definition of a keyboard warrior.'
Same could be said about you mate. Not that bothered. Never intended to troll, or come across as a dick. I just wanted to finally contribute to a forum I've read sporadically for many years. Was probably a mistake to do so. It definitely feels like the decent discussions and posters from a few years ago have been replaced by far less classier ones...
Hope this is long enough for you to make another snide and petty remark about the length of my posts. 
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No one is making remarks about the size of your posts....
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-Your views are given less credence not because you're new, but because you're full of shit.
-There are no Muse fans on here, this is a Radiohead fansite.
-I am possibly the biggest cunt on this site, and they're still mostly siding with me. That says a lot about you.
And your posts are too long
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AlexDalton123 :
No one is making remarks about the size of your posts....
'I wouldn't want to prompt another treatise.'
That's just on this page. If you're all going to gang up on me, at least don't post something that is quite clearly factually incorrect, even to the 'casual observer'.
I'll answer your points though. I never said Muse sounded like Sigur Ros. I said that elements were similar, and that one particular song sounded like a particular Muse song. I stated this several times, due to deadstar's twisting, before you joined in. When I clarified this even further, you still failed to acknowledge the fact that I had made a relevant comaprison (even now, you're claiming your innocence when stating that all you said was 'Sigur Ros is nothing like Muse', when that is deliberately trying to get a rise, as deadstar had done so several times, because I had never claimed that, and had clarified this several times).
Posting a list of his warnings was an elaboration on the point that deadstar, in trolling, and having a history of trolling, was sad. Again, like others on here, you choose to pick up on my post, rather than the troll. Why? Why do you continue to do this whilst failing to admit the presence of a perennial troll?
You've not insulted me personally. But you've shit stirred, as I said, by whipping this up while claiming innocence, targeting me whilst blindly ignoring the WUM that is deadstar.
As for the gay remark, it's a common angry response. You jumped to deadstar's defence unprovoked, as did Oceansizer. Hence the somewhat childish response from me. Deadstar got what he wanted; a reaction. Although rationality doesn't seem to be your boys' cup of tea, does it? Bored of this now...very, very bored...so I'm going to leave it...continue to troll away whilst feigning innocence... 
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Everyone who posts anything does it for a reaction. You don't have to be trying to "offend or condemn".
I'm sorry, I made a mistake. You are a hypocrite.
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wiljones :
I rarely delved into the posts that didn't make the news page.
That to me indicates someone who hasn't read a large amount of the board. Yes I'm assuming. An assumption based on something you wrote yourself. That also negates your return to the "casual observer" argument. As I said before I don't automatically give your views less credence. Others might. I think you're unwise to say these things when people will assume that you haven't been here for very long so what do you know? I think the Oh My God Dom Fancies Matt Theory thread is a ridiculous thread full of fangirls being silly. But what do I know, I've never posted there. If I went in there and said what I thought, I'd expect a similar reaction to what you got here.
I'm not targeting you and ignoring the "troll deadstar" (as you like to call him). I just happen to think that his posts have been less incendiary than yours. It's not elitism to understand someone who's posted a decent amount of time on this board better than a newbie.
Of course you're able to get a sense of a personality online (admittedly only the personality that they present).
Yes, I'm aware of my hypocrisy. I didn't want to be dragged in to this, but I allowed myself and I'm annoyed at myself for doing so. Of course you're free to contribute to the forums, I hope this doesn't put you off. Your mistake was to accuse people of things in your opening few posts. There are plenty of decent discussions going on here, it's a just a lot of them aren't about Muse.
And if you want petty and snide remarks, you couldn't find a better example than your civil partnership comment.
Now the mods will arrive and we'll probably all get a warning.
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A 'somewhat' childish response? Nope, that was a %100 childish response. You may as well have told me you're having sex with my mother, or your dad is tougher than my dad or some other playground insult.
My apologies, I didn't notice Oceansizer had posted that. We all make mistakes, like you have already done in this thread.
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Well, I think we can all agree, no one came out of this looking good...
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I remember when this thread was just off topic with some sarcastic conversations. Now I leave for three days and this happens?
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This thread is badass. I just read the last two pages and got a massive self esteem boost knowing I wasn't involved. Sure, I know I'm just the same person, and it's all just relative, but damn it man, I feel good.
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Impressive.
Maybe this forum shouldn't be allowed for some kids under 20 y/o. Prejudices and so on. Amazing to see how supposedly "mature" "adults" can talk shit like this.
I must say I joined the Muse community about 2 years ago. I never had thought about checking forums about the band and so on before and was not even a fan before that. But Wiljones has a good point in his first post tho. Some here might dislike and criticize him because it was his first post but reading what he said he was indeed not new to this forum. I also don't post here or on .mu quite often but I do read what is said and I must say I quite agree with him. It's also the same on a French forum so it's not only happening here. Some "fan" members shouldn't be around anymore for a long time but instead of this, they keep talking shit on the band's back. Can't ppl just remember they're also persons with feelings ?
Everyone has the right to have his own tastes and so on, but no one has the right to go after a band like I see it very often. A .mu admin wrote a post quite good about this trying to remember everyone the band has feelings too. Seeing a supposedly "fans" forum with such hateful comments is really sad.
One has the right to dislike a song and to say it but a problem arises when these comments happen more often than positive ones.
There's also a big difference between forumers and what I see during gigs. Some folks here just hate FG and it seems like most of the forum community feels that way but when u go to a gig, there's just that huge wave of joyful "hooras" when Matt starts playing the first chords on his piano. So what's wrong here ?
So please, everyone likes some songs and dislikes others but u don't need to bitch on these all the time. We should be proud of Muse and not talk shit all the time about the band.
And I won't even mention the elitism going on here and there. What makes a 1-post-old member not worth listening to ?
=> http://www.muselive.com/forums.php?m=posts&q=34090
Wanna try again saying comments I saw earlier in this thread now ?
Anyway this is only my opinion.
I don't intend to hurt or provoke anyone, I just happen to feel this way too when reading these forums.
Sorry about grammar and spelling mistakes, I'm not a native speaker and this is only my 3rd language. 
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So. Sweepstakes on Wiljones and Xav being the same person?
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Nope. Not at all. ^^
But I do hope only mature ppl will read this. I don't really need kids comments. x)
I'm not saying yours is one, I'm assuming this is just a poke <= hard to guess when it's not your native language.
And if you don't believe me just check when I subscribed to this forum.
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ayla
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That's just the way message boards are. They are places on the internet where people come together to create some kind of hierarchy and bitch at everyone who's below them. That's how they work and that's how they have always worked.
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Love how much people care about what people on the internet think.
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Did anyone else see that ludacris story in that most truthfull of papers The Sun? It said that Matt would be leaving writing duties to Chris as he was concentrating on being a new Dad!
Chris later confirmed on twitter that it was complete bollocks!
I mean really...I wonder what a n album written by chris would sound like???
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East-Assassin :I mean really...I wonder what a n album written by chris would sound like???
Heavy heavy heavy. Back to the old days 
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East-Assassin :I mean really...I wonder what a n album written by chris would sound like???
Heavy heavy heavy. Back to the old days
Well! That sounds okay. They probably won't pack the punch with the performances though if they went heavier.
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ayla
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Actually we have no idea what an album written by Chris would sound like.
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