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Nmber 28 was quite emotional.
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Everybody knows Chile and many other countries have shitty conditions at some workplaces, that doesn't change the fact that those men were working down there knowing the risks, but they had to work to make some money - they're not rich people. That's what makes this story interesting, and amazing to see where we've come, being able to help them.
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Its fucking bullshit if you ask me, according to "the good news", the mine they were working down has had a long history of being unsafe and has collapsed on numerous occasions injuring many before and even killing one.
The fact that these people were
a) let down there in the first place to work even with this previous knowledge
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b) they went down there permission or not
makes this whole story rather redundant...
The President or whatever the Chilean leader calls himself seen on the news waving his little flag should be shitting his pants that stricter laws haven't been implemented at least for that mine with regards as to using it for industry. If I were the workers I would now be rubbing my hands at all of the money I could potentially make from
a) the mining company for neglecting health and safety.
and
b) the state for allowing companies to practice unsafe extraction.
This story is more a triumph for exposing shitty work practices in Chile over anything else.
mooooooan.
You're sounding more like me every day Barnaby, I'm proud 
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Yes they had to work to make some money, I imagine that some of them may live in poorish conditions, who knows... but that is a gold/copper mine they were down, and I imagine it is not owned by some poor company that cant afford to keep its mine safe, rather a company that neglects its job to provide a safe working environment, the workers knew what they were getting into when the took on the job, mining is inherently very dangerous.
Sorry if I am not pouring my heart out over this story enough like some of you, eagerly watching a retarded "body counter" clicking up to 33 - which I may add is kind of sick... what if one was dead? would a death tally come up underneath?
I'm glad these people are safe and everything, its a testament to human spirit under adverse conditions, but there are people who go through far tougher ordeals almost daily around the globe without so much as a sniff of sympathy... so why these people should cash in on this is beyond me.
The fact that they even fought about who was going to be rescued first and last down in the mine to gain maximum publicity and capital shows the type of greed these people know, when originally the youngest ones were going to be hauled out first.
Personally I would just be glad to be out of the mine, but not these guys. They had even gone so far as to refuse to be interviewed by Chilean national media or accept any current media offers in case of better offers later on. Also whilst still trapped down the mine they demanded a lawyer be sent to the site to draft up documents legally binding profit distribution a certain way throughout the group .... talk about being prepared, but in all fairness, it’s not entirely their fault.
Some television companies are said to have been offering up to £250,000 to each miner for their exclusive story and publicity corporations are fighting to sign up their families. Also, waiting for the men on the surface were offers to endorse products ranging from beer to mining equipment to a sex-aid vitamin product. Rather then just being happy to be alive, they seem to be reacting quickly to what is shaping up to be somewhat of a disturbing tarnished commercialisation of what should be a heart warming rescue effort promoting human care and dedication to help fellow beings.
So, I don't really care anymore for this story tbh.
You got some nerve, coming here.
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Honestly Barnaby. Imagine it was you. You had a shitty life. You were poor. You were trapped in that mine for a couple of months. Sure you'd be happy to be alive. But why not make the best of it?
Do you really think you'd get up and just say: "You know. I survived. And that's all I want from this. Now I'll go to some other mine rather than telling the world about my story and live a much richer life."
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I don't get why people are being arsey about it. It's so common to hear news about disasters and death and terror. It's nice to just get a story where some guys actually made it out alive.
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I'm not disputing that it is nice to hear they are O.K... it is. I just don't see why we need to hear so much about it... why this one story? I'm sure lots of people have had really shit ordeals and probably been even worse off than they were, why haven't we heard about them.
And @ Toe:
I suppose there is that side of the story, yes they now have the chance to better their lives through media coverage and turning essentially what was a disaster into a thing of profit for a select few, and if that is the case then good on them, but that makes this story no different to any other story I have ever watched on the news.
You got some nerve, coming here.
I hate to agree with Barnaby, but the fact is, hes right.
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It's the way news goes isn't it? Just like there are hundreds of people that go missing every year, yet every now and again we get a Holly and Jessica or a Sarah Payne that the press seems to get behind and plaster over the front page every day. I'm sure there's lots of triumphs over adversity, every day, around the world, but this is the one the media cares about. It's not ideal that we're spoonfed stories picked by the suits while other stories are ignored, but it's still a nice story none the less.
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Those Chilean miners have gone so commercial. I preferred it when they were still underground.
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That was bloody funny.
Edit: Call me cynical, but for me personally this story no longer holds any compassion.
I would much rather see the plight of the Tibetan monks televised on the news, have corporations pour money into stopping them being systematically hunted down and murdered by the Chinese government, give them compensation... although they probably wouldn't accept any money, they would just be happy to be alive.
You got some nerve, coming here.
I hate to agree with Barnaby, but the fact is, hes right.
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Barnaby, the reason we're seeing so much about it is because it makes a good news story. It sells newspapers. It gets Sky and BBC News some viewers. That's the only reason it's so big.
But it's still a nice story. Occasionally you see a story about someone helping someone, or themselves, and it just puts a smile on your face. There's nothing wrong with that.
Now, I can't stand these people that say 'I don't watch the news it's so depressing.', because I think that's immature. It shouldn't matter what the news is, everyone should have some idea of what's going on in the world. But I just don't think it's a bad thing when something like this gets coverage. If it gives a few people a smile, then why not?
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But don't you think that something like the Plight of the Tibetan monks would be a bit more worthy of the coverage than this? Why is it always semi lame stories that get the coverage when the BBC for example could bring far more pressing matter to the foreground, like genocide.
You got some nerve, coming here.
I hate to agree with Barnaby, but the fact is, hes right.
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Yeah, it would be better. But it's not going to happen because people wouldn't be interested. They'd just see some more poor persecuted folk on a hill, then carry on with their lives.
Whereas this story grabs our attention and makes people happy. It's just how the mass media works. Worthy and unworthy victims.
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I don't know... call me medieval.. but I think monks setting themselves on fire in protest to be persecuted and murdered and being shot in the face in a busy street while burning would make pretty compelling news footage.
But that's just me, I guess the media would rather we were spoon fed 33 unfortunate Chileans who all made it out fine except for a slight cough for 2 months.
You got some nerve, coming here.
I hate to agree with Barnaby, but the fact is, hes right.
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Pneumonia is hardly a slight cough. :P
But yeah, the news rarely focuses on huge issues like those in Tibet.Correct me if I'm wrong (not that you wouldn't anyway) but I think part of the problem is the Chinese government's control of the media. i.e. They don't allow any foreign journalists in.
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I don't know... call me medieval.. but I think monks setting themselves on fire in protest to be persecuted and murdered and being shot in the face in a busy street while burning would make pretty compelling news footage.
But that's just me, I guess the media would rather we were spoon fed 33 unfortunate Chileans who all made it out fine except for a slight cough for 2 months.
Yeah, I know. But you and I are in the minority here, in that we want real news. You need to appreciate that the world is full of vacuous morons with no real interest in what's really going on, and it's the media's job to appease them.
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But you do get news stories on the plight of the Tibetan monks. It does come up, it's an ongoing thing but that is partly why it doesn't help, it's been going on for many, many years, at the time of the self combustion, I expect there was a fair amount of coverage of it. But the story goes out of general interest due to public disinterest and something else which will shift more copies coming up. It's the public and their ignorance that causes it.
Even so it might not make the front page, but then again, lots of worthwhile news does not make the front page and alot doesn't even get reported. However his is a news story, it should be getting some notice and the fact it gain so much media attention is neither here nor there.
It is nice to have a story that's cheerful and optimistic, miners trapped are freed over 2 months before first anticipated. Fantastic. I really don't see how you complain that it's being covered, the fact a major story from outside the UK/US that isn't an apocalyptical flood/famine/hurricane/tsunami is getting major coverage is shocking enough.
And made it out fine except for a slight cough? They will be malnourished, it will take them months if not years to fully recover, they had to sit in a filthy area where they will have defecated, ate and lived for 70 days and the psychological issues they'll face will be tremendous. Hell their eyes are almost useless at the moment due to the dark conditions they've been living in. To say all they've had is a slight cough is insulting.
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Ok, so they have sniffles as well as a cough.. and they also had food sent down daily so hardly malnourished.
Tibet isn't true China, the Chinese have no jurisdiction in Tibet, but that doesn't stop them going in to Tibet and killing them all.
You got some nerve, coming here.
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Just like it doesn't stop Isreal existing, but hey. It's a terrible situation and deserves more coverage, but it does get coverage, in the right papers.
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Israel gets infinite more hours coverage than Tibet, because Israel matters to the western world countries... I haven't seen Tibet mentioned on the news in years since the Beijing Olympics, but the murders and genocide continues... Tibet obviously doesn't matter much to the western world... but neither does Chile.. so why the big fuss.
You got some nerve, coming here.
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paztopia :
Those Chilean miners have gone so commercial. I preferred it when they were still underground.
that literally made me lol :lol
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Isreal does get more coverage, I never denied that, it's annoying as it's mainly support aswell.
And thats's the crux though, it doesn't matter to the indiferent majority of the society in western world countries, it should, both should and both should get more coverage.
But Tibet does get covered, alot in the world section of The Times. Admittedly it's near the middle, but that's where the 'world' section is.
Isreal gets more upfront coverage as it 'relates.' The Chilean miners are getting it because it was an awful situation that was going to have one of a few media friendly endings by mid next year, so therefore it has good retention time without getting boring and will have ensured consistant sales. Media coverage is a business so they will choose what they think will shift.
And now it's getting more coverage because it's had a quicker ending than anticipated, meaning they need higher turn over and oh yeah, for once, it has a happy ending.
The news is depressing a majority of the time, so image actually being able to print something that will warm peoples hearts as opposed to instilling fear or being the bearer of bad news.
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Old Trafford L.C.C.C. - 4.9.10
Leeds Festival - 26.8.11
Could that scrotum tickler be one Matt Bellamy of Muse? :P
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I don't want my heart warmed, if I wanted my heart warmed I would have sat down and watched re runs of Lassie or Skippy when the animals save the children from near doom. I would have shed a salty tear when the boy weeping turned and hugged that hairy dog and said thank you for saving my life.
I want serious news, I want to know that massively serious problems at home and abroad are being solved... not endless coverage of an unfortunate accident in a mine shaft resulting in someone needing a few hours with a bowl of hot water with Vicks-vapo rub in it and a towel over his head.
You got some nerve, coming here.
I hate to agree with Barnaby, but the fact is, hes right.
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Sigh. It's not like the rest of the world has shut down to gasp in awe at the events in Chile. There's still other news going, you know. On the Guardian's website, the main headlines are:
'Liverpool return to high court to fight injunction'
'Government scraps 192 quangos'
'Clarke: economy in danger of collapse'
'Zimbabwe deportation ban lifted'
'Thatcher pulls out of no.10 party'
'Big pensions eyed for £4bn savings'
'Greek protests shut down Acropolis'
The Chile story is prominently placed on the right hand side yes, but it doesn't take much to look past it.
Real enough yet? Why not look at the Telegraph's website.Yes, the Chile story is the headline. But there's other news too, gasp!
'Quango 'bonfire' announced'
'Ex-minister's claims doubt'
'Police tweet 999 inanities'
'7/7 bombers used 'untraceable' mobile phones'
'Navy destroys pirate boat'
See? If you're getting your panties in such a twist, just ignore it. If you're watching Sky or BBC News and all you're getting is Chile stuff, that's your own fault for watching such tripe.
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Manchester M.E.N - 11.11.06
Teignmouth Den - 05.09.09
Sheffield Arena - 04.11.09
Old Trafford L.C.C.C. - 4.9.10
Leeds Festival - 26.8.11
Could that scrotum tickler be one Matt Bellamy of Muse? :P
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