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Why was bah dropped in the first place, and surely ce should be a regular as the voting showed fans want it. Mk ultra had also disappeared. I want mk ultra, bah and ce, and that isn't much to ask.
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B&H instead of NSC, it should always be like this !!!!!!!
For Soldier's Poem, I find it quite anecdotal compared to Unintended I like much more but it's not really important, the surprise comes especially from B&H !!!
Still a pity there're no polls songs.. I think yesterday's setlist is very good but I still point this out coz basically, they still promised to play at least one of the first two songs of the poll and then still nothing... It's not very fair especially that Bliss or/and Citizen Erased directly give the concert a higher dimension !
And it does not kill to add ONLY ONE song to the setlist of 23 (or 21/22 coz the jam and Nishe..) !!!!!!!! They would add ONLY ONE song, it'd be Bliss or Citizen Erased then yes, that would be just perfect !
That said, I am quite charmed by yesterday's setlist, how a song can change everything ! 
By the way, can someone tell me how long is the show ? (not counting the time between encores) ??? 2 hours ? + ?? - ??
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I think Muse would have been better off never making the setlist polls, as then people would have no excuse to feel hard done by - disappointed, perhaps, if their favourite old songs weren't played, but in no way mislead. In doing this, the band have opened a can of worms when really, as far as I'm concerned, they needn't have bothered.
The way I see it , although I'd personally rather go to a gig where CE/Bliss and B&H were played instead of Feeling Good and TiRO, people buy tickets for the current show knowing that it's essentially billed as "featuring songs from The Resistance ... and others". The older tracks are played because of their popularity or because they offer something to the set not otherwise provided by the new songs. They're no longer a focal point, and nor should we expect them to be. Feeling Good, whether people like it or not, continues to contribute something unique to the set. When Matt writes a jazz song that is to Feeling Good what Guiding Light is to Invincible, it's more likely to be replaced.
To be perfectly honest, I don't see why people expect setlist variation - if you go to see a touring musical twice, you'll never get a new song just because the performers feel sorry for the "predictability" of repeat viewings. If you want to go to see a band twice on the same tour, you should prepare yourself that you're going back to see the same show. If that idea isn't appealing, or seeing the same songs performed live again wouldn't appeal to you - save your money for next time. I appreciate that people thought the stadium tour might vary from the arena tour, but at the end of the day, they're just two different productions aimed at promoting the same album on a different scale. Some people will enjoy the Resistance show more than the BHAR shows but equally, others will think the new productions pale in comparison to the old - it's entirely subjective. Fortunately, Muse have provided live DVDs to document their different musical "eras".
On a related note, I completely object to the suggestion that Muse are getting lazy - their songs are so OTT and melodramatic, for better or worse, that each and every show will be very demanding on all of the performers.
To conclude, I understand why people might be frustrated at what the band consider their staple songs. I would agree that it's a shame that on a tour promoting The Resistance, MK Ultra - one of the strongest songs on the record - is on rotation rather than a mainstay. But, for the immediate future, the touring show is for the latest album, and Muse needn't change anything about it. There's nothing wrong with a bit of constructive criticism and suggestions about what they could do better in future, but following the setlists on every tour date only to complain when it seems "boring and predictable" is, frankly, time that could be better spent. And let's face it, the main reason that live rarities are so titilating is that they provide us a more unusual way to distract ourselves for a few minutes - it's always good to have a sense of humour about these things 
I think this situation signifies a deeper problem, which is the difference between liking someone's creative output and the risks of any sort of unconscious idolatry, but that's a subject for another thread  !
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They don't care about their shitty fans who complain about everything anymore.
Fixed for truth.
Also, playing popular songs at gigs will not make them money. The reason they play mostly newer songs is because they haven't got bored of playing them yet, they played, for example, CE every gig for 5/6 years, same with Bliss and Showbiz and Muscle Museum. I would prefer to see those songs, but if the guys don't want to play them, just accept it, a lot of people like the new songs.
Also, to other people, IBTY was voted in the top 5, I think B&H was as well, but I'm not sure.
Just to be clear, I'm not particurlarly thrilled by the setlists, but that doesn't mean that I'm gonna let people talk bullshit without correcting them.
EDIT: ^That guy oozes wisdom.
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^ We have a speaker in the house. a really good speaker. Ur right, it is The Resistance tour so they might not play as many of their old songs.
Sry I mean the person above him.
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B&H's and Soilders Poem don't cut it they were played repeatedly last tour, i's rather have had Unintended, which is still a rare song and NSC which most people have never seen live before.
I agree with Unintended as Soldier's Poem should be thrown into the depths the earth never to be seen again. But B&H should have never have been dropped in the first place In would rather they dropped Time is Running Out.
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They don't care about their shitty fans who complain about everything anymore.
Fixed for truth.
Also, playing popular songs at gigs will not make them money. The reason they play mostly newer songs is because they haven't got bored of playing them yet, they played, for example, CE every gig for 5/6 years, same with Bliss and Showbiz and Muscle Museum. I would prefer to see those songs, but if the guys don't want to play them, just accept it, a lot of people like the new songs.
Also, to other people, IBTY was voted in the top 5, I think B&H was as well, but I'm not sure.
Just to be clear, I'm not particurlarly thrilled by the setlists, but that doesn't mean that I'm gonna let people talk bullshit without correcting them.
EDIT: ^That guy oozes wisdom.
Well I love The Resistance so it has nothing to do with them playing new songs.
It just seems that there attitude as a band has changed, i've noticed it with a lot of the choices they've been making and even it their interviews, it seems that they just want to be as famous as possible at any cost, I hope they prove me wrong though.
Now that nights closing in
And in the half light
We run
Lock us up safe
And hide the key
But the night tears us loose
And in the half light
Were free
Andy is awesome!! 
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bliss_balloons :
They don't care about their shitty fans who complain about everything anymore.
Fixed for truth.
Also, playing popular songs at gigs will not make them money. The reason they play mostly newer songs is because they haven't got bored of playing them yet, they played, for example, CE every gig for 5/6 years, same with Bliss and Showbiz and Muscle Museum. I would prefer to see those songs, but if the guys don't want to play them, just accept it, a lot of people like the new songs.
Also, to other people, IBTY was voted in the top 5, I think B&H was as well, but I'm not sure.
Just to be clear, I'm not particurlarly thrilled by the setlists, but that doesn't mean that I'm gonna let people talk bullshit without correcting them.
EDIT: ^That guy oozes wisdom.
Well I love The Resistance so it has nothing to do with them playing new songs.
It just seems that there attitude as a band has changed, i've noticed it with a lot of the choices they've been making and even it their interviews, it seems that they just want to be as famous as possible at any cost, I hope they prove me wrong though.
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I don't see why people expect setlist variation - if you go to see a touring musical twice, you'll never get a new song just because the performers feel sorry for the "predictability" of repeat viewings. If you want to go to see a band twice on the same tour, you should prepare yourself that you're going back to see the same show. If that idea isn't appealing, or seeing the same songs performed live again wouldn't appeal to you - save your money for next time. I appreciate that people thought the stadium tour might vary from the arena tour, but at the end of the day, they're just two different productions aimed at promoting the same album on a different scale.
On a related note, I completely object to the suggestion that Muse are getting lazy - their songs are so OTT and melodramatic, for better or worse, that each and every show will be very demanding on all of the performers.
I think this situation signifies a deeper problem, which is the difference between liking someone's creative output and the risks of any sort of unconscious idolatry, but that's a subject for another thread !
Humour is everything, as is irreverence - at least for me!
And I really don't think Muse are getting lazy either - greedy perhaps, not that there's anything wrong with that.
I'm preparing myself to see another round of "MUSE- THE MUSICAL". I'm bringing all my props for Saturday - just like I would do for The Rocky Horror Picture Show or The Sound Of Music 
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They don't care about their shitty fans who complain about everything anymore.
Fixed for truth.
Also, playing popular songs at gigs will not make them money. The reason they play mostly newer songs is because they haven't got bored of playing them yet, they played, for example, CE every gig for 5/6 years, same with Bliss and Showbiz and Muscle Museum. I would prefer to see those songs, but if the guys don't want to play them, just accept it, a lot of people like the new songs.
Also, to other people, IBTY was voted in the top 5, I think B&H was as well, but I'm not sure.
Just to be clear, I'm not particurlarly thrilled by the setlists, but that doesn't mean that I'm gonna let people talk bullshit without correcting them.
EDIT: ^That guy oozes wisdom.
Well I love The Resistance so it has nothing to do with them playing new songs.
It just seems that there attitude as a band has changed, i've noticed it with a lot of the choices they've been making and even it their interviews, it seems that they just want to be as famous as possible at any cost, I hope they prove me wrong though.
Fair enough, I honestly can't tell much of a difference, I've actually seen Matt looking dissatisfied with Warner and stuff a lot more recently.
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They don't care about their old fans anymore, they just want to get famous and make a hell of a lot of money in the process.
Spot on. It doesn't really seem to be about the music anymore. Muse seem to be more focused on the bells and whistles then the actual tunes themselves. The recent setlists have been absolutely terrible. Thank Hades I didn't waste my money on a stadium ticket. And providing I can convince my gf, I won't be seeing them at Glasto either.
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Green day are going to overtake them, so are mcr
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They don't care about their old fans anymore, they just want to get famous and make a hell of a lot of money in the process.
Spot on. It doesn't really seem to be about the music anymore. Muse seem to be more focused on the bells and whistles then the actual tunes themselves. The recent setlists have been absolutely terrible. Thank Hades I didn't waste my money on a stadium ticket. And providing I can convince my gf, I won't be seeing them at Glasto either.
Well I think they may do something special at Glasto and there's all this talk of an orchestra so that might end up being the best gig of the tour. I won't be selling any of my stadium tickets now i've bought them and i'll still enjoy the gigs anyway (possibly  ) but I will think twice before buying tickets in the future. I keep expecting them to prove me wrong and do something amazing but it's just not happening yet 
Now that nights closing in
And in the half light
We run
Lock us up safe
And hide the key
But the night tears us loose
And in the half light
Were free
Andy is awesome!!
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Everyone seems to have high hopes for Glastonbury, but I really can't see it being that amazing if they are going to keep playing all of their shit songs. Yeah, I've been hoping for them to proove me wrong for a while now. But it ain't happening.
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So was RBS definately sounchecked before one of the Paris dates? I really hope they bring it out at some point on the tour, it'd be so amazing in a stadium. I'm hoping the only reason they haven't played it yet is because they're still trying to sort out the lights/effects for it.
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So was RBS definately sounchecked before one of the Paris dates? I really hope they bring it out at some point on the tour, it'd be so amazing in a stadium. I'm hoping the only reason they haven't played it yet is because they're still trying to sort out the lights/effects for it.
I'm semi hoping the same is for CE Bliss and Showbiz, they just havent found a way of incorporating them in.
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The way I see it , although I'd personally rather go to a gig where CE/Bliss and B&H were played instead of Feeling Good and TiRO, people buy tickets for the current show knowing that it's essentially billed as "featuring songs from The Resistance ... and others". The older tracks are played because of their popularity or because they offer something to the set not otherwise provided by the new songs. They're no longer a focal point, and nor should we expect them to be. Feeling Good, whether people like it or not, continues to contribute something unique to the set. When Matt writes a jazz song that is to Feeling Good what Guiding Light is to Invincible, it's more likely to be replaced.
To be perfectly honest, I don't see why people expect setlist variation - if you go to see a touring musical twice, you'll never get a new song just because the performers feel sorry for the "predictability" of repeat viewings. If you want to go to see a band twice on the same tour, you should prepare yourself that you're going back to see the same show. If that idea isn't appealing, or seeing the same songs performed live again wouldn't appeal to you - save your money for next time. I appreciate that people thought the stadium tour might vary from the arena tour, but at the end of the day, they're just two different productions aimed at promoting the same album on a different scale. Some people will enjoy the Resistance show more than the BHAR shows but equally, others will think the new productions pale in comparison to the old - it's entirely subjective. Fortunately, Muse have provided live DVDs to document their different musical "eras".
On a related note, I completely object to the suggestion that Muse are getting lazy - their songs are so OTT and melodramatic, for better or worse, that each and every show will be very demanding on all of the performers.
To conclude, I understand why people might be frustrated at what the band consider their staple songs. I would agree that it's a shame that on a tour promoting The Resistance, MK Ultra - one of the strongest songs on the record - is on rotation rather than a mainstay. But, for the immediate future, the touring show is for the latest album, and Muse needn't change anything about it. There's nothing wrong with a bit of constructive criticism and suggestions about what they could do better in future, but following the setlists on every tour date only to complain when it seems "boring and predictable" is, frankly, time that could be better spent. And let's face it, the main reason that live rarities are so titilating is that they provide us a more unusual way to distract ourselves for a few minutes - it's always good to have a sense of humour about these things
I think this situation signifies a deeper problem, which is the difference between liking someone's creative output and the risks of any sort of unconscious idolatry, but that's a subject for another thread !
I completely agree with you. You've put the argument over very well. You wouldn't got to an Evita musical and expect to hear a Phantom of the Opera song. They obviously have a very clearly defined place they are in right now and it doesn't include the songs older fans are really into. You have to get used to the fact that they will play newer songs. It seems to me that they have moved on but some of their fans haven't. They don't have to but they can't write music just for a select few.
The fact that they still manage to sell out many of their gigs means that many people still want to see them. I love watching them play live and have seen them so many times now that I've seen many of the songs played several times.
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^ Whizzychu and you made some great points that I also agree with.
I've seen them live twice and I'd love to see them a hundred times more even with the exact same setlists.
People seem to expect Muse to play very little of TR but if a band gigs it is generally expected to play a larger proportion of the most recent album, a few best ofs/singles and something else if you're lucky. And thats what Muse do, at least they have made some effort to include all their fans with the setlist poll.
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^ Whizzychu and you made some great points that I also agree with.
I've seen them live twice and I'd love to see them a hundred times more even with the exact same setlists.
People seem to expect Muse to play very little of TR but if a band gigs it is generally expected to play a larger proportion of the most recent album, a few best ofs/singles and something else if you're lucky. And thats what Muse do, at least they have made some effort to include all their fans with the setlist poll.
What people are getting annoyed about it that the band gave them a setlist poll, they voted for Citizen Erased / Bliss / Showbiz and they aren't being played every night.
Personally, I really don't care - they're great live regardless of the setlist and the majority of the moaners on here are complaining about sets of shows they aren't even attending - the people that have actually gone to the gig think it was amazing!
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rancos :
^ Whizzychu and you made some great points that I also agree with.
I've seen them live twice and I'd love to see them a hundred times more even with the exact same setlists.
People seem to expect Muse to play very little of TR but if a band gigs it is generally expected to play a larger proportion of the most recent album, a few best ofs/singles and something else if you're lucky. And thats what Muse do, at least they have made some effort to include all their fans with the setlist poll.
What people are getting annoyed about it that the band gave them a setlist poll, they voted for Citizen Erased / Bliss / Showbiz and they aren't being played every night.
Personally, I really don't care - they're great live regardless of the setlist and the majority of the moaners on here are complaining about sets of shows they aren't even attending - the people that have actually gone to the gig think it was amazing!
promissory estoppel.
the band gave a promise, i acted on that promise by buying a wembley ticket.
either way, wembley is my last muse gig unless they go to belfast again. dublin, at a push... but it'd have to be a new album, and a damned good one at that.
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Prediction for Tonight (I love predicting  )
Uprising
SMBH
NB
MOP/MK Ultra
NSC
GL
Hysteria
USOE
RBS (I just have a feeling)
FG
UD
Restiance
Starlight
TIRO
US
Invincible
Exo 1
SS
TAB
PIB
KOC
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Okay Bliss was played according to Muse wiki. I always love seeing that in there. Map of the problematique kicked MK out of it's spot though.
1. Origin of Symmetry
2. Black Holes and Reelations
3. Absolution
4. The 2nd Law
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MK and MotP would be a great combo. Neither deserves to be kicked. Unfortunately, MK missed out tonight. But go Bliss, Unintended, and Take a Bow!
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Hey you know wat i noticed? they HAVE been following the polls. it's just that some nights Hysteria, KOC and PiB were on there so they played THOSE. Every setlist has had something from the poll.
1. Origin of Symmetry
2. Black Holes and Reelations
3. Absolution
4. The 2nd Law
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Bliss tomorrow at Goffertpark, that's all I'm asking.
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