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Well, actually Israel doesn't have to answer. They haven't signed the UN resolutions you use if you charge a country. So, even if it was on international water there's really nothing we could do but fight fire with fire. No one will end up in Hague.
Oh, self-defense defending yourself against someone defending themselves from your original attack? Disgusting.
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Great video here.
i was trying to get that.... german girl says its bad to bring up nazis... blah blah blah... but he's mad that the Holocaust is used to justify Israeli actions, especially when his parents where in camps....
don't really get what the girl asked and what set him off, but i see where he finishes. And i see the crowd supports him, but idk if they like what the girl said.
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Guys wait...
The people on the boat? They had... SLINGSHOTS.
That's it, we're fucked now. I thought they only had AK-47's and rocket propelled grenades. But slingshots?
Jesus. I'm constructing a bunker. Come get me in 2025 when all this shit is over and everyone else is dead. We can hunt deer like it's 250AD again.
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Guys wait...
The people on the boat? They had... SLINGSHOTS.
That's it, we're fucked now. I thought they only had AK-47's and rocket propelled grenades. But slingshots?
Jesus. I'm constructing a bunker. Come get me in 2025 when all this shit is over and everyone else is dead. We can hunt deer like it's 250AD again.
IDF will kill you on sight if they caught you using this to shoot a bird
"the hizbullah sign" it's so catchy isnt it? 
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I know it's off topic but i can't shake the image of Adam Boulton as Pibs Dad.
Spooky.
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Nothing will be done about this... nothing ever is done.
It was only a few years ago when Israel sent Lebanon back to the stone ages and not a damn thing was done about it. Israel can do whatever it likes... and while the whole world was busy making sure the Arabs and Persians didnt get their hands on uranium enrichments.... Israel went ahead and armed itself.
What can anyone do.
Israel owns the U.S. and the media
Israel doesnt give a shit about U.N.
Israel continues to occupy Palestinian land.
They keep moaning about security but over the last 50 years you can chronologically look at a map of Palestine and how it has shrunk to nothing.
Illegal settlements.. apartheid conditions... but yeh terrorists are to blame for the whole situation apparently.
Wtf would America do if Mexico started building settlements on their land... what would any country do if all of a sudden a neighbouring country (which didnt exist until recently) starts building on your land.
And as soon as you criticize them for their acts against humanity its anti-semantic
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Great video here.
i was trying to get that.... german girl says its bad to bring up nazis... blah blah blah... but he's mad that the Holocaust is used to justify Israeli actions, especially when his parents where in camps....
don't really get what the girl asked and what set him off, but i see where he finishes. And i see the crowd supports him, but idk if they like what the girl said.
It is a little confusing... I am guessing that during his speech he referred to the Zionist Jewish action against Palestine as no different to the Nazi's... then little Miss German stood up and said that she was offended by his use of the term Nazi as she was German (deal with it, it happened), and that she was also offended because the Nazi's slaughtered Jews.. and started having a little pathetic BooHoo...
He then took her to school, by stating that both of his parents were killed in Nazi concentration camps, yet that hadn't clouded his ability to see and know that the Zionist Jews were systematically slaughtering Palestinians and that the girl was pathetic because she could not shed a tear for the Palestinians, yet she was more than willing to have a cry for the poor old Jews once again.
If you look carefully though, she pulls that same 'hands on head' expression at least 3 times during the video... I think a bit of shoddy editing was used for this, as well as the girl possibly being planted from the start.
You got some nerve, coming here.
I hate to agree with Barnaby, but the fact is, hes right.
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Well, I wasn't there. But a video I've seen clearly shows an IDF soldier being thrown overboard, and another being beaten to the deck by seven or eight of these humanitarians. So,...is it really surprising some of them got shot?
The US promptly lost its shit and declared war on the very notion of terrorism, entering into an armed conflict against an abstract concept like only America can.
And after we beat Terrorism, were gonna beat Drugs! Then were going to take on Sadness!
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Well, I wasn't there. But a video I've seen clearly shows an IDF soldier being thrown overboard, and another being beaten to the deck by seven or eight of these humanitarians. So,...is it really surprising some of them got shot?
Does it?
You got some nerve, coming here.
I hate to agree with Barnaby, but the fact is, hes right.
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Well, I wasn't there. But a video I've seen clearly shows an IDF soldier being thrown overboard, and another being beaten to the deck by seven or eight of these humanitarians. So,...is it really surprising some of them got shot?
Plus at what timepoint is that clip seen at? Based on the reports i've heard, while also seeing the picture of what appears to be an IDF member being thrown off the side, is it not more likely that such action was being taken in self defence subsequent to the intial attack by the Israeli forces?
This situation is really, really bad for Israel, they've already been falling foul of the US recently and this will hopefully mean they're much more accountable.
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tchocky :
Well, I wasn't there. But a video I've seen clearly shows an IDF soldier being thrown overboard, and another being beaten to the deck by seven or eight of these humanitarians. So,...is it really surprising some of them got shot?
There are plenty of eyewitness accounts to suggest the IDF soldiers were already firing on the ships before they boarded.
tchocky, I've come to the conclusion that you'll believe anything the media tells you. I think you were the one who said something like 'why read independent news when you can read stuff like Newsweek, Time and the NY Times?'
That says it all, really.
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Lol, at what point, can you honestly say that anything in this video is of any consequence... or if any of it at all gives any evidence of anything... we can't even tell if this is in fact the same ship!
All looks staged to me. Good acting though.
Video of protesters "Attacking soldiers"
You got some nerve, coming here.
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I don't know if it's staged, but if it isn't, I think the metal poles and chairs are self defence, rather than an attack. You don't use chairs if you want to attack someone, you use guns, like the IDF soldiers did.
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Israel can get away with anything. I had a lecture on the Gaza situation last year, the lecturer was a woman who had been there, she said the environment in which the Palestinians had to live was terrible, because Israel blocks everything, even medical care. This is another example of that. And no one does anything about it. Israel has killed so many more Palestinians in the last few years than the Palestinians have killed Israelis, but every time an Israeli is killed it gets massive media coverage.
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They can't get away with this one, surely. Send whoever organised this fucking atrocity to the Hague, I say.
On a sidenote, the Dutch government in the Hague is still very pro-Israel, like the US. I hope they'll change they're mind after the elections.
The ICC aren't going to get their fingers burnt on this one IMO, and I can't see it being referred as an art. 13 by the security council (as happened with the Al-Bashir botch-up). It does seem like Israel can get away with anything. That doesn't make me anti-Israel or pro-Hamas though.
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I don't think it's staged, although the videos have clearly been heavily edited by the Israeli military so they're not very useful for finding out what happened. According to people on the ship now released the Israelis had started firing at them before they boarded the ship but there's no way of knowing for sure if that's true (except if Israel were to release all their footage of the raid unedited).
But anyway I will stress that this is mostly irrelevant, as the crew were within their rights to resist. There's no way anyone can claim that a heavily armed team of masked commandos hijacking a civilian vessel carrying humanitarian aid in international waters in the middle of the night killing 10 people was 'self-defence' even if the crew fought back with sticks. It's like a burglar breaking into a house and shooting dead all its inhabitants before claiming that the owner of the house came at me with a baseball bat so I defended myself. You cannot defend yourself when you're the aggressor.
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Of course it is staged... the side of the boat just perfectly covers any view of what (if anything) they are hitting... the guy who is "thrown" over the edge.. (more like gently dropped) disappears behind a safety boat.. there is probably a guy below catching him. Mild shoves and scuffles on deck, I wouldn't be surprised if they hadn't accidently caught a glimpse of the boom mic dropping in from above.
Any video that is officially released by any government or military, must be taken almost immediately as some sort of propaganda.
The videos were just released to cover up the fact that the IDF went on a killing spree...
You got some nerve, coming here.
I hate to agree with Barnaby, but the fact is, hes right.
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tchocky, I've come to the conclusion that you'll believe anything the media tells you. I think you were the one who said something like 'why read independent news when you can read stuff like Newsweek, Time and the NY Times?'
Erm,.,...no. I've never said that. I have questioned what makes you think the media you soak yourself in is less slanted than anything else. I've also questioned whether there's any point arguing with a 9/11 truther nutjob.
The US promptly lost its shit and declared war on the very notion of terrorism, entering into an armed conflict against an abstract concept like only America can.
And after we beat Terrorism, were gonna beat Drugs! Then were going to take on Sadness!
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tchocky, I've come to the conclusion that you'll believe anything the media tells you. I think you were the one who said something like 'why read independent news when you can read stuff like Newsweek, Time and the NY Times?'
Erm,.,...no. I've never said that. I have questioned what makes you think the media you soak yourself in is less slanted than anything else. I've also questioned whether there's any point arguing with a 9/11 truther nutjob.
If the search function wasn't shit, or if there was a post history for individual users I'd show you. But I'm 99% sure you said that.
Either way, it's not like I sit for hours in a darkened room on infowars, with a tin foil hat and a 'NO TO THE NWO' t-shirt on.
It's not like I never look at mainstream news. I read what you would describe as a 'mainstream' newspaper. But I look at it with a cynical eye, then look at a few different news websites to see what different sides are saying. I don't choose to look only at one side of the argument like you apparently do.
Christ, I even look at Fox News and the Daily Mail sometimes! Even if it is just for shits and giggles.
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The Israeli govt is gonna continue this because there are elements in their government that are far right wing extremists who just want more land for settlements in the occupied territories that are illegal. The last Israeli PM that tried to stop them, Rabin was assassinated by one of those extremists. Maybe Sharon was poisoned too eh who am I kidding I've been watching too much 24
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I thought this article was rather interesting.
Self defence or murder...
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tchocky :
Well, I wasn't there. But a video I've seen clearly shows an IDF soldier being thrown overboard, and another being beaten to the deck by seven or eight of these humanitarians. So,...is it really surprising some of them got shot?
There are plenty of eyewitness accounts to suggest the IDF soldiers were already firing on the ships before they boarded.
tchocky, I've come to the conclusion that you'll believe anything the media tells you. I think you were the one who said something like 'why read independent news when you can read stuff like Newsweek, Time and the NY Times?'
That says it all, really.
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I thought this article was rather interesting.
Self defence or murder...
Yeah
It frustrates me that the Israelis are calling it a 'terrorist act' or 'terrorist organisation'
Is that their answer to everything? Its like the boy who cried wolf.
And its an insult to the people that have lost their lives to real Terrorism.
How many people are stupid enough to believe these were terrorists.
"oh they were carrying clubs and had kitchen knives... they were terrorists"
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Of course they say the people on board were terrorists, after 9/11 you can do whatever you want with terrorists, as long as you kill or imprison them. Saying someone is a terrorist legalises murder. In the months/years after 9/11 governments used that excuse to get rid of political opponents. The stupid thing about it is that other governments still accept that excuse.
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I thought this article was rather interesting.
Self defence or murder...
Yeah
Lol, you have a Andrew Slaughter MP, very appropriate name. I hope the international investigation will happen before Israel hides all the facts.
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i just read on the bbc website.. in the 9 turkish bodies, there were 30 bullets and one of them had 4 bullets in the head........ hmmm self defence and minimum force my ass
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