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Technically difficult may mean that it is musically complex, but it doesn't make it nice to listen to. What would you rather listen to: someone playing an F# pentatonic scale at 200BPM, or the Heartbreaker guitar riff? I know which one I'd choose, and which one nearly everyone on this forum would pick, and it isn't the scale.
I myself am not a professional standard violinist, but I can certainly tell the difference between a good violinist and a crap one. Also, seeing as you haven't yet provided us proof that you are a world-class guitarist, by your rules, what right does it give you to sing the praises of Slash while dissing every other guitarist that the rest of us hold in any regard? Surely if you can't diss someone, you have no right to praise someone, either?
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1) I listed bands active in 2000's or bands that first appeared in the 2000's that are popular to the younger generation of nowadays. Porcupine Tree have put up more albums in the 2000's than in the 90's or 80's
And do you know why that is? Because their albums began to sell more, so they would have been given more studio time by their labels, or they got used to the environment they were in and felt more comfortable writing songs. Or got better.
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D... just lost every little bit of his possibly left dignity. Axl Rose can't play piano any better than any other standard musician. Sure piano parts in songs like This I Love and Street Of Dreams are pretty good in my opinion too but they are basically simple chord progressions. I bought my piano 4 months ago and even i could learn to play them.
Matthew again is brilliant pianist and that is a fact. Even guy who hates Muse from all of his heart can't deny that. Just listen to B&H Piano solo, Live version of Hoodoo or Screenager, Cross-Pollination, Redemption, Piano Thing or Mon Coeur Souvre A Ta Voix.
If you show me video of Axl playing even slightly challenging classical bit on piano i might chance my opinions a little.
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The production of the music? Ok seriously, just stop because that's not even part of this argument.
I don't know how my ability to play things affects my judgement on how complex it is. That is also a pretty retarded assertion. The inability to play certain pieces of music doesn't make those pieces more complex, and simultaneously, the inability to play complex music doesn't change your ability to tell if a piece is complex or not.
You strike me as the type of person who would go into a music store and play the Master of Puppets solo thinking you're the shit. You're not. That's just annoying.
Production of the music has a lot to do with this argument,basically, most bands of nowadays (even new guns n' rosdes) use protools, the production has changed a lot of things in the past ten years, that's way sometimes there are such a big difference between live performances and studio tracks.
Guitar may be the easiest instrument to learn so most people acquire a certain knowledge when they learn guitar. If you can play guitar at a medium level, you can play most songs of nowadays music. However Guns N' Roses is a different case, Slash solos and bits here and there are complex, a lot more than today's music (without being the most complex, as I said Buckethead, Malmsteem, Satriani to name a few are more advanced technically). That's why few people can play these pieces correctly, because it's more complex than your average biffy clyro, coldplay, placebo, radioheady, green day song (i can multiply the examples).
Your inability to play perfectly the lead guitar of welcome to the jungle proves that this song is complex, at least you can't tell it's simple or rather simple because you can't play it. If you don't have skill, you should just shut the fuck up and do your best to match at least slash level, then you'll be able to open your mouth.
People like you are retarded, because you think you can judge pieces of music without being yourself good musically. So mate, four words: Shut The Fuck Up.
As for me being here for fours years, unlike some of you (barnabyfox particularly) I don't waste my life on the forums, I got things to do, I just came by to express my love for Guns N' Roses, most of you hate the and so why click on the topic in the first place, do I pollute threads of bands I don't like? Of course not.
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I give up. You're asserting things about me that have absolutely no basis. Malmstein and Satriani, while technically advanced are very poor songwriters. Their songs do consist of some complex scales, yes, and some very very impressive guitar work, but their ability to compose an interesting song is non existent. I bore of them very quickly when I listen to them.
Let's compare Guns n Roses to Metallica. Metallica are probably in the same league, in fact, I'd rank both James Hetfield and Kirk Hammet below the skills of Slash, but their ability to write consistent and excellent albums far outweighs that of Axl, or any of the original or current Guns n Roses crew. Yes, arguably the got shit in the late 90s and early 00s, and you could assert that they're still shit. But in the 1980s they released 4 excellent metal albums, and then another excellent rock album in the early 90s. Thats 4 up on what Guns n Roses have done with a less involved skillset.
Where am I going with this? I'm proving everyone's point that technical proficiency doesn't mean good music.
Also, don't tell me to shut the fuck up. I've done nothing to provoke such language.
Edit: I'm still surprised this thread is here. Please don't lock it!
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The piano parts are equivalent, even though Axl Rose is a better pianist than Matthew Bellamy
D... just lost every little bit of his possibly left dignity. Axl Rose can't play piano any better than any other standard musician. Sure piano parts in songs like This I Love and Street Of Dreams are pretty good in my opinion too but they are basically simple chord progressions. I bought my piano 4 months ago and even i could learn to play them.
Matthew again is brilliant pianist and that is a fact. Even guy who hates Muse from all of his heart can't deny that. Just listen to B&H Piano solo, Live version of Hoodoo or Screenager, Cross-Pollination, Redemption, Piano Thing or Mon Coeur Souvre A Ta Voix.
If you show me video of Axl playing even slightly challenging classical bit on piano i might chance my opinions a little.
Check this live out : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4wKfp_5ySns
Sadly there isn't the whole intro but I can assure you that this intro by Axl beats anything that Matt has ever played (that I've witnessed of) technically, I was amazed. November Rain is about in the same standards as any song by Muse but this intro is technically great for a rock pianist.
Street Of Dreams and This I love are simple, but the butterflies & hurricanes solo is one of the most simple sings I've ever seen, it seems hard but it's not, Screenager is piece of cake, Cross Pollination is really easy as well, Hoodoo could have been difficult but Matt plays it in an easy way (i play it in a harder way, but it's not that hard of a song), Piano thing is really really easy, it's basically arpeggios, it's more simple to play than it looks, Mon Coeur s'ouvre à ta voix is pretty easy as well. Space Dementia is the hardest piano song by Muse, but it's because it changes notes so often, it's not technically hard to play, you have to practice quite a while to remember it perfectly though.
I'm a pianist and can play easily all these songs on piano, often I complicate Matt's parts because there are really easy & obvious, the style of Axl Rose is a bit more complex and more melodic, but I think only a pianist could confirm what I'm saying. I'm honest here, Rose stuff aren't hard to play far from it, but there is a better sense of melodies than in Muse, and like I said, that november rain intro that was played in 1992 is harder than anything I've heard from Matt.
I confirm what I've said: I think that overall Axl Rose is a better pianist than Bellamy (who is a more polyvalent artist than Axl Rose).
What I've said about what you can say and what you can't say is that you shouldn't open your mouth to judge a thing as "not complex" if you can't play the thing in question. If you can't play something then just shut the fuck up about it, you can give your opinion on it, you can think it's shit, but you can't go 'yeah it's easy to play' if you can play it, use some logic for fuck sake.
About my guitar skills, I'm not that great of a guitarist, I can play all of Muse easily, however I'm stuck on Paradise City solo and a bit in welcome to the jungle for now, I can play all of sweet child o' mine though, even the second part of the solo (but can't say I nail it, I struggle now and then). That's why I don't act high on guitar, if I see that something is hard, I will never go "yeah it's easy", or if I've struggled two months on it I won't say "too easy", and when I see some cunts here who can't even play the songs and call it simple, let me laugh hard.
About "it's not because a song is complex that it's good", where did I say the contrary?? I pointed out that despite some AC/DC songs are very simple and repetitive, they're still awesome and came up with something great. HOwever, in my point of view, if you can match melody and speed, it can have great results, Buckethead, Bumblefoot, Satriani are some of the guitarists that made these kind of things possible and I enjoy every second of it. Of course some people will never appreciate it because guitar is not their thing or because they don't get it, because their ears is too used to bad quality music on radio (radiohead, lady gaga & co).
Heartbreaker is a good riff but the songs blows. Led Zeppelin is overrated in my opinion, it's the only classical band I kind of think it's shit, while Page came up with great riffs, I don't enjoy Plant's voice, sure they made one or two obvious hits but that's it, they didn't have the guts, the thing that make a man a rock star. I'll take any Black Sabbath (with Ozzy only), AC/DC, Aerosmith, Rolling Stones, Pink Floyd, Queen or Guns N' Roses song over anything Led Zeppelin has ever done. Same goes with Metallica, I think they're shit and are a terrible example to use in comparison with Guns N' Roses, sure Lars Ulrich is an awesome drummer, sure there are some good melodies here and there, but James Hetfield is a retard and his voice sucks monkey ass.
Back on the topic, Appetite For Destruction is an album that nobody can dislike because it's close to perfect. No album in history has had as much hits (Welcome to the jungle, Sweet Child O' Mine, Nightrain, Paradise City, Rocket Queen, Mr Brownstone) with such raw talents as Slash, Axl Rose, Steven Adler, Izzy Stradlin and Duff McKagan. This is a one of a lifetime thing. Of course I understand why you people use this example as to why you don't like Chinese Democracy. Appetite is the most obvious record, and I guess ultimately, history will remember this album as the best rock album of all times.
However Chinese Democracy is a mindblowing album... if you listen it at least twice. You can't like this album from the first listen. It's too complicated. Overproduced. Guitars are in the background. One day I woke up and went "shit that's buckethead guitar in the background, it's fucking Buckethead and Axl Rose on the same track". With such talents as Axl, Buckethead, Bumblefoot, Robin Finck (from NIN), Brain, Frank Ferrer, Josh Freese, Tommy Stinson, Dizzy Reed, Chris Pitman, this album is a MUST have, the more you listen to it, the more you'll find out new stuff, the orchestra bit in This I love is marvelous once you don't only concentrate on the lead guitar, There was a time vocals are just mind blowing, the buckethead solo in the end is one of the best thing he's ever done musically, the shackler's solos are just extraterrestrial, no really, this album KICKS ass, it's so ambitious, so groundbreaking it really is too awesome, I think it'll eventually be a bigger hits in the next few years once people are more open to this kind of music because really it's one of the very finest stuff there is out there.
Buy Chinese Democracy.
Oh and to the midget that told me "you're on a muse forum, y talk bout gnr lol?", this is the "other bands" section. You midget jones diarhee.
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oh goodness. Back on topic please.
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That piano intro is pretty basic, to be honest.
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Actually, the piano has a nice little jazz scale in it. Most of it is pretty basic though.
Something Matt's never touched on - jazz. 
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Actually, the piano has a nice little jazz scale in it. Most of it is pretty basic though.
Something Matt's never touched on - jazz.
Yeah it's basic but it's still harder than anything I've heard from Matt, and for a rock star, you gotta admit it's kind of pretty cool. Freddie Mercury was an awesome pianist, maybe the best of those tree, haha. Maybe Matt could play it, I think both are about the same levels, but that intro is the thing that pushed the balance is favour of Rose, check the full intro if you can, it's on the Use your illusion I dvd.
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That piano intro is pretty basic, to be honest.
Edit: Oopz, didn't know we were getting back on topic.
eh for further discussions I mean.
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D.. I guess you can do fuckin' anything if you can Hoodoo the "hard" way. Stop being an elitist bitch.
Oh and if someone chooses not to like Appetite you can't do anything about it. It's there opinion. You can't force your opinions upon anyone else. If they like it, they like it. If they don't, they don't.
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I'm really sorry, but no way in hell is that harder than Piano Thing, just no.
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Can't believe he slated Led Zeppelin... despite the fact that GnR site them as a massive influence on their music.
Led Zep are THE heavy rock band...and don't you forget it heathen.
As for that piano section... meh. People like Elton John can piss that stuff out in their sleep.
You got some nerve, coming here.
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I'm facepalming at several things:
1) The way D.. seems to think he's better than Barnaby because he's been on here since 2006, when in fact he's only been here two months longer than Barnaby.
2) The way D.. thinks Piano Thing isn't really that hard BUT by the same logic the November Rain intro IS. Come on. I'd agree that Piano Thing perhaps isn't as impossible as people make it out to be, but that little intro you linked us to before isn't any harder. Actually, it's not that hard at all. It's probably grade 2/3ish.
3) D..'s grammar.
4) The fact that D.. is getting so wound up (by a bunch of people who are apparently younger than him) on the internet because they refuse to believe that Guns 'n' Roses are brilliant.
EDIT: Also, actually, if you have so many other things to do, why do you post these huge posts? You've made several large posts in this thread. You obviously spend quite a long time sitting at your computer articulating your thoughts to a bunch of people who think you're a bit of a twazzock...
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I'm facepalming at several things:
1) The way D.. seems to think he's better than Barnaby because he's been on here since 2006, when in fact he's only been here two months longer than Barnaby.
I never said that. Check your facts.
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2) The way D.. thinks Piano Thing isn't really that hard BUT by the same logic the November Rain intro IS. Come on. I'd agree that Piano Thing perhaps isn't as impossible as people make it out to be, but that little intro you linked us to before isn't any harder. Actually, it's not that hard at all. It's probably grade 2
Prove it's easy. Make a video of you playing this intro (full intro). I'll shut the fuck up. I bet you can't 
Fact is, I think I'm better on piano that most of you guys on this thread, hands down and yet you still bring your mouth bragging "yeah too easy stuff man". Prove it, I'll laugh.
Back on topic.
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I bet you can't either 
Infact i think you are full of shit and can't play a thing, your all just pretending to be something that you aint. You nobody you.
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Prove it's easy. Make a video of you playing this intro (full intro). I'll shut the fuck up. I bet you can't
Fact is, I think I'm better on piano that most of you guys on this thread, hands down and yet you still bring your mouth bragging "yeah too easy stuff man". Prove it, I'll laugh.
That's playground speak. Again, you're just getting pissed off because people don't agree with you, so you're trying to make them 'prove it'. It's completely aside the point anyway. I'm not comparing my skill to Axl Rose's. I'm just saying that generally, when put into perspective, it's not that complex a piece. He's going over a few notes repeatedly and just changing chords every few seconds. The only bit which shows any complexity is at about 0:22, but even then, he plays a few notes wrong. Of course you could just come back with a reply now saying 'HURR WELL CUS U DINT MAKE A VIDEO DAT MEENS U CNT PLAY IT LOLOLOLOL'.
Either way, no-one's bragging that it's 'too easy stuff'. You're bragging that Rose is a genius and that he's technically brilliant at piano, and we're saying you're exaggerating it. Sure, he can PLAY piano, but even Matt Bellamy's stuff is better than that little intro you linked us to. And Bellamy isn't even the best pianist around right now. There are many better pianists.
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I remember D.. getting told off before.. I will try and find the posts he made somewhere... he was fighting tooth and nail and getting pissed off because I didn't share his opinion that Muse were the best band in the world.
Now it's GnR?
Come on make your mind up
You got some nerve, coming here.
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Anyone actually fancy making a video of this little piano intro thing? I know it's kinda pointless but he said he'll shut the fuck up if someone does, and that has to be a good thing.
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the best part about this whole thing is, the more we argue with D.. the more likely it is that the mods will lock this thread, and then he'll have nowhere to express his undying love for Axl.
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The argument is actually on-topic though. It's all about Guns 'n' Roses.
I actually haven't listened to Chinese Democracy yet. May give it a listen tonight.
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