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Sorry barnaby you or your family must be quite well off because if you had ANY idea how it is at the bottom you wouldn't give those Torrie cunts a second thought.
Say what you like about Labour i'm not their biggest fan but the tax credits and the future jobs fund (which i got a job out of after uni once there were no jobs at all going) are brilliant and your beloved party wants to scrap all that.
I also liked the lib dems idea of no tax on £10,000 that would help a lot of people as i see my wage raped by tax. But fuck all that hey? As long as they get a nice big inheritance fuck the little people.
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muse are good :
Regarding the 'bigot' incident, I thought the shitstorm over it was ridiculous. When Obama called Kanye West a jackass, it was hilarious! :P
I missed the debate tonight, think I'll watch it on iplayer when it's up.
That's because Obama is relatively popular. Gordon Brown could rip his shirt off mid-debate, wrestle a bear to the ground and start throwing free money at the audience and the general public's response would be "he's fat, the bear was a plant and I slipped on the money he threw. I HAYT GAWRDN BROWN!!!1".
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he's fat, the bear was a plant and I slipped on the money he threw.
That was far too funny. You're right though. He's negotiated us out of a recession quite well, and all people seem to want to do is blame him for 'putting' us there in the first place. Grow up. Fucking Tories.
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Tax cuts on the top 3% of earners. Cheers tories, that's what the country needs.
Also, if they're not going to make sweeping cuts, but still going to reduce the debts. The only way they can really do it is through giving the axe to a huge number of people in the public sector. Wooooo just what we need, increasing levels of unemployment again, fantastic.
The whole, i hate gordon he got us in this mess...is abit harsh, his main fuck up was selling the gold reserves when he did.
The free market policy was orginally brought to the head by the tories and once it got underway with them, made subsequent regulation alot harder, as the banks could just up and leave to a nicer financial centre if we put too much pressure on them. So the banks went about gradually getting greedier and greedier, eventually causing this fuck up.
It was inevitable there'd be some contraction after such a prolonged inflation, it's just the manner and speed of it that fucked up and he's done okay getting us out in this state, rather than us ending up like Greece and Spain. But non the less, he's got very little chance of success now. Too many cock ups on the road, he needed a faultless campain to swing the doubters.
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Sorry barnaby you or your family must be quite well off because if you had ANY idea how it is at the bottom you wouldn't give those Torrie cunts a second thought.
Say what you like about Labour i'm not their biggest fan but the tax credits and the future jobs fund (which i got a job out of after uni once there were no jobs at all going) are brilliant and your beloved party wants to scrap all that.
I also liked the lib dems idea of no tax on £10,000 that would help a lot of people as i see my wage raped by tax. But fuck all that hey? As long as they get a nice big inheritance fuck the little people.
Nope actually, I live in a smallish terraced house with just my mum, my Dad pays nothing and lives in L.A.
She earns enough to keep the house and treat herself sometimes and I (after being made redundant) have a part time job that just gives me enough to buy food, petrol and enjoy myself occasionally.
Believe me, I have plenty idea. So back off.
And you don't really seem to be "at the bottom" to be honest, whiling away time on the internet.. I'm sure that people "at the bottom" wouldn't have such a luxury.
Yeah I will be backing the Tories this time (my beloved party? I voted Blair in, I don't just blindly vote for the same party every time), because as far as I am concerned Brown has no fucking clue about running this nation, and neither does Clegg.
Whoever gets in, is going to be unpopular, is going to have a shit job to do and is going to have to make us pay more to get us out of this mess... so its swings and roundabouts really, the question is, who has the gumption and mental capacity to do it?
Clegg? fuck that, he wants to trade in the Sterling for the Euro, that's how money minded he is.. fucking jackass.
And Brown, well... 5 years as Chancellor of the Exchequer and countless more as an unelected Prime Minister and where are we? in the worst financial situation since the fall of the Empire and the end of WW2... all that in peace time.. pretty fucking good work there.
So yeah, I will be voting for the party that holds back on public spending for a while, grants pay increases to the people that deserve it and doesn't give £50 a week away to every Tom, Dick and Muhammed that claims benefit with no intention of ever getting any work.
This whole argument that Labour are still 'for the people' because they spend money on the working class reminds me of an old saying, that while being very generalistic and I have turned my nose up at it before, it seems to apply to the mind set of many of today's Labour supporters.
"Working men expect to work for a living, Labour supporters expect others to provide them with a living".
You got some nerve, coming here.
I hate to agree with Barnaby, but the fact is, hes right.
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I love how people blame Brown for the current economic situation. One of the most ignorant, unfounded statements being bounced around at the moment, especially by the Tories' somewhat desperate smear campaign.
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His statements were harsh to begin with, you don't have to be rich to vote tory...just a stereotype.
But you think Cameron has any idea? He's a PR man through and through, he knows what to say, but when it comes to policy i still think he's weak. Yes he can manage a debate, but when it comes to the crunch he will not be strong enough to make the tougher decisions, he will want to be liked and um and ahh and also want to assist his eton boys in their big ventures (not all stereotypes are incorrect, unfortunately).
I personally think Brown's done a pretty decent job so far and get a unified plan of action with other nations on the go, creating a stronger situation, which i expect the tory policy, while we won't know for sure, would have put us in a worse position and would not have been as quick to get other nations on board.
Also a technicallity but...we are at war...in afgahnastan, admittedly not quite the scale of the great wars, but still a war, that costs alot of money, as did iraq, an all round bad call made by both labour and tory politicians. But it does exist and does cause some financial strain.
Anyway...
He won't give raises to those who need it, he'll give it to the ones who are already massively overpaid along with giving them that lovely tax break aswell.
Hhe'll get rid of plenty people instead, thats how he's curbing the spending, and not just middle management that may be deemed excess etc, but plenty of people that serve a purpose, just to cut costs, at the expense of standards, there is too much red tape at the moment, but what cameron will do will be the polar opposite, less all round.
Clegg is just Clegg, a shadow man, some good ideas, some outstandingly ridiculous ones.
Exactly Tom, that well known American bank manager Goldman Brown (The tories know his secret identity, he did cause the crisis, running a fucked up american bank lending money people couldn't repay).
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barnabyfox :And you don't really seem to be "at the bottom" to be honest, whiling away time on the internet.. I'm sure that people "at the bottom" wouldn't have such a luxury.
70% of people have access to the internet in the UK. I'm pretty sure there's a lot of people at 'the bottom' in there too. Internet is dirt cheap these days.
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(I voted Blair in, I don't just blindly vote for the same party every time)
No, you didn't. You were 12 in 1997. You were 16 in 2001. At the most, you've voted once. Stop pretending.
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"Working men expect to work for a living, Labour supporters expect others to provide them with a living".
That's brilliant, coming from a Tory convert. In case you haven't noticed, though New Labour moved significantly right of Labour's traditional philosophy, it is still regarded as the working/low-middle-middle class party. You just need to look at where the Tories are getting their votes- small English towns, rural areas. Mostly people who are voluntarily cut off from logical society and prolonged human contact. It's exactly the same as the Republicans in the US.
And yes, that was a direct attack on Tory voters. Take it as you will. I think you'd need to be pretty deluded to think David Cameron has your best interests at heart.
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Sorry barnaby you or your family must be quite well off because if you had ANY idea how it is at the bottom you wouldn't give those Torrie cunts a second thought.
Say what you like about Labour i'm not their biggest fan but the tax credits and the future jobs fund (which i got a job out of after uni once there were no jobs at all going) are brilliant and your beloved party wants to scrap all that.
I also liked the lib dems idea of no tax on £10,000 that would help a lot of people as i see my wage raped by tax. But fuck all that hey? As long as they get a nice big inheritance fuck the little people.
Oh gawd, you really think that people should have to pay half of their money after they die after they've already payed 40% on everything they've earnt in their life? If you do, congrats, you're an idiot.
Taxing the rich isn't going to help, they're just going to leave and there will be no one left to hire the poor. Since the 50% tax rate came in, I know a man (who my Dad used to work for) who has left for Switzerland with his business, and it is estimated that it will cost the government £100million+ in the first year alone. Mrs. Thatcher realised that upping tax doesn't always up income for the government, and Labour need to stop sucking off the working class for votes and realise that.
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I love how people blame Brown for the current economic situation.
To be honest, it is his fault to an extent...
When New Labour came to power Britain was already booming as it had been under the previous Tory Government. Brown became Chancellor of the Exchequer and while he was, he allowed banks to continue to money lend at an exponential rate despite warnings that the boom wouldn't last forever. He also took away the power from the Bank of England that allowed it to intervene and stop lending.
He then sold a large portion of the nations gold stock at the lowest possible price imaginable (this type of wealth is what a nation relies on when times are tough as investors will always return to gold shares when the fiscal markets are in ruins).
Then as Prime Minister, he refused to reign in the public spending, he also refused to confront the banks over their greed, instead most of the Labour party cashed in on it.
Then when the shit really hit the fan, he decided the best thing to do, would be to pour more money into the public sector and increase borrowing from the BoE failing to account for the extra money that he was having printed to fill one hole would have to be filled itself with interest eventually.
Edit: James I already told you I was very politically minded at a young age because of my family. I don't have to prove anything to you.
Edit 2: I agree Matt.
You got some nerve, coming here.
I hate to agree with Barnaby, but the fact is, hes right.
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I think you'd need to be pretty deluded to think David Cameron has your best interests at heart.
He clearly doesn't, but he's the only one who can add 2 and 2 together and end up with less than 100.
And the recession is largely Labour's fault. Tories got us out of the last one, don't forget.
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I think you'd need to be pretty deluded to think David Cameron has your best interests at heart.
He clearly doesn't, but he's the only one who can add 2 and 2 together and end up with less than 100.
And the recession is largely Labour's fault. Tories got us out of the last one, don't forget.
And if the Tories had been in power the last few years, they'd have done even worse. At least Labour made the most of benefits of the boom we had. They're the better of two evils.
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And you don't really seem to be "at the bottom" to be honest, whiling away time on the internet.. I'm sure that people "at the bottom" wouldn't have such a luxury
Umm... I've been a member of this site since 2005 and have 274 posts you've been a member since 2006 and have over 3000 posts.....yeah i'm just made of time to waste on the net.
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I think you'd need to be pretty deluded to think David Cameron has your best interests at heart.
He clearly doesn't, but he's the only one who can add 2 and 2 together and end up with less than 100.
And the recession is largely Labour's fault. Tories got us out of the last one, don't forget.
He clearly doesn't... what? I honestly have no idea what you're saying.
I dread the thought of a Conservative government leading us through a recession.
Edit: I just got it. I thought you were talking about Barnaby, but you meant Cameron :P
But I disagree. I don't care what policies you want to throw around... I'd rather have the Chancellor of 10 years and PM of 3 leading our economy out of the recession, than some Eton schoolboy with no experience. I don't trust Osborne one bit. He's been the most vacant campaigner in the whole process.
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Umm... I've been a member of this site since 2005 and have 274 posts you've been a member since 2006 and have over 3000 posts.....yeah i'm just made of time to waste on the net.
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At least Labour made the most of benefits of the boom we had. They're the better of two evils.
I'm pretty sure that saving some of that extra money would have been "making the most of the boom" actually. At least that way we would have had something to cushion the blow of the recession. As it stands, we had nothing to fall back on, so the government had to borrow borrow borrow.
You got some nerve, coming here.
I hate to agree with Barnaby, but the fact is, hes right.
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I think you'd need to be pretty deluded to think David Cameron has your best interests at heart.
He clearly doesn't, but he's the only one who can add 2 and 2 together and end up with less than 100.
And the recession is largely Labour's fault. Tories got us out of the last one, don't forget.
It has fuck all to do with labour. The recession was mainly caused by the borrowing of the US banks (it was a global economic crisis), who became so huge, british banks, in turn, borrowed of them, so when the US banks realised they couldn't get the money back, our finances took the hit. It had shit all to do with the government or England, it stems solely from the reckless banking of America which also became common practice here, admittedly hindering things, as no regulation could be put in place to stop it without causing an exodus from london of any businessman/woman/bank/broker with any common sense and want of money...which is all they want.
Yes the tories did get us out of the last one, partly by allowing the carte blance theory of a completely free market which spilled into the banks and private sector causing this recession...if later regulation would have been made they'd have jumped ship to, as the case in point was, switzerland, thus crippling the city of london as a financial centre and britain as an economy.
And taxing the rich might not always help, but that's because they're greedy fuckers, if they jump ship because the country that helped them to get so high up the ladder wants abit of the wedge they've scrapped from the unregulated years back as it caused this complete fuck up.
A 3% tax break for the top earners (see, entrepreneurs, bankers, hedge fund managers, ceos)...no fucking thanks, you caused this shit hole, you'd better help to get us the fuck out of it you greedy little shits.
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So... the Greeks are getting angry and violent. Sometimes I wish us Britons would get as riled up as others. The best we can do is throw eggs and call people names.
I say we go out setting cars on fire, smashing windows and kicking shit out of MPs.
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Sometimes I wish us Britons would get as riled up as others. The best we can do is throw eggs and call people names.
Speak for your Scottish self :P the English have rioted plenty in the past over politics.
You got some nerve, coming here.
I hate to agree with Barnaby, but the fact is, hes right.
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Sometimes I wish us Britons would get as riled up as others. The best we can do is throw eggs and call people names.
Speak for your Scottish self :P the English have rioted plenty in the past over politics.
Yeah, it's been a while though. We need riots in the The City, racking up the broken-banker-nose count. We'll use Twitter to keep count. I'm modern.
Seriously though, this country needs to get angry. I'm mad as hell!
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I was mad, but then I lol'd at that D.. guy in the GnR thread, what a bellend.
You got some nerve, coming here.
I hate to agree with Barnaby, but the fact is, hes right.
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Seriously though, this country needs to get angry. I'm mad as hell!
We know things are bad; worse than bad. They're crazy! It's like everything, everywhere is going crazy. So, we don't go out anymore; we sit in the house and slowly the world we're living in is getting smaller and we say: Please, at least leave us alone in our living rooms... let me have my toaster and my T.V. and my internet connections and I won't say anything -- just leave us alone.
But I'm not gonna leave you alone... I want you to get MAD!
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Is England having to pay Greece's bills then?
The US promptly lost its shit and declared war on the very notion of terrorism, entering into an armed conflict against an abstract concept like only America can.
And after we beat Terrorism, were gonna beat Drugs! Then were going to take on Sadness!
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I don't think they do have to, they probably will though, and they should too if they want to be a part of Europe. But then again that's a whole different argument.
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Is England having to pay Greece's bills then?
I think you mean Britain.
And yes, I think we will.
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